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19881225 Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 3.20.18

25 Dec 1988|Duration: 00:38:39|English|Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam|Butterworth, Malaysia

The following is a class given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami Mahārāj on December 25th, 1988 in Butterworth, Malaysia. The class begins with a reading from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, 3rd canto, chapter 20, text 18.

 

sasarja cchāyayāvidyāṁ

pañca-parvāṇam agrataḥ

tāmisram andha-tāmisraṁ

tamo moho mahā-tamaḥ
(ŚB 3.20.18)

Jayapatākā Swami: (Reads Translation and purport of the verse)

Translation:  First of all, Brahmā created from his shadow the coverings of ignorance of the conditioned souls. They are five in number and are called tāmisra, andha-tāmisra, tamas, moha and mahā-moha.

Devotees: Śrīla Prabhupāda ki Jai!

Purport: The conditioned souls, or living entities who come to the material world to enjoy sense gratification, are covered in the beginning by five different conditions. The first condition is a covering of tāmisra, or anger. Constitutionally, each and every living entity has minute independence; it is misuse of that minute independence for the conditioned soul to think that he can also enjoy like the Supreme Lord or to think, “Why shall I not be a free enjoyer like the Supreme Lord?” This forgetfulness of his constitutional position is due to anger or envy. The living entity, being eternally a part-and-parcel servitor of the Supreme Lord, can never, by constitution, be an equal enjoyer with the Lord. When he forgets this, however, and tries to be one with Him, his condition is called tāmisra. Even in the field of spiritual realization, this tāmisra mentality of the living entity is hard to overcome. In trying to get out of the entanglement of material life, there are many who want to be one with the Supreme. Even in their transcendental activities, this lower-grade mentality of tāmisra continues. Andha-tāmisra involves considering death to be the ultimate end.

Jagannath swami ki Devotees: jai!!

The atheists generally think that the body is the self and that everything is therefore ended with the end of the body. Thus, they want to enjoy material life as far as possible during the existence of the body. Their theory is: “As long as you live, you should live prosperously. Never mind whether you commit all kinds of so-called sins. You must eat sumptuously. Beg, borrow and steal, and if you think that by stealing and borrowing you are being entangled in sinful activities for which you will have to pay, then just forget that misconception because after death everything is finished. No one is responsible for anything he does during his life.” This atheistic conception of life is killing human civilization, for it is without knowledge of the continuation of eternal life.

This andha-tāmisra ignorance is due to tamas. The condition of not knowing anything about the spirit soul is called tamas. This material world is also generally called tamas because ninety-nine percent of its living entities are ignorant of their identity as a soul. Almost everyone is thinking that he is this body; he has no information of the spirit soul. Guided by this misconception, one always thinks, “This is my body, and anything in relationship with this body is mine.” For such misguided living entities, sex life is the background of material existence. Actually, the conditioned souls, in ignorance in this material world, are simply guided by sex life, and as soon as they get the opportunity for sex life, they become attached to so-called home, motherland, children, wealth and opulence. As these attachments increase, moha, or the illusion of the bodily concept of life, also increases. Thus the idea that “I am this body, and everything belonging to this body is mine” also increases, and as the whole world is put into moha, sectarian societies, families and nationalities are created, and they fight with one another. Mahā-moha means to be mad after material enjoyment. Especially in this Age of Kali, everyone is overwhelmed by the madness to accumulate paraphernalia for material enjoyment. These definitions are very nicely given in Viṣṇu Purāṇa, wherein it is said:

 

tamo ’viveko mohaḥ syād

 antaḥ-karaṇa-vibhramaḥ

mahā-mohas tu vijñeyo

 grāmya-bhoga-sukhaiṣaṇā

maraṇaṁ hy andha-tāmisraṁ

 tāmisraṁ krodha ucyate

avidyā pañca-parvaiṣā

 prādurbhūtā mahātmanaḥ

 

Jayapatākā Swami: Thus, end the Bhaktivedanta Swami translation and purport to text eighteen, chapter twenty, canto three of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam in the matter of conversation between Maitreya and Vidura.

Oṁ tat sat!

Jayapatākā Swami: So here a very nice and systematic explanation of the five kinds of illusion that the living entities in the material world are captured in is given: Tāmisra, Andha-tāmisra, tamas, moha and mahāmoha.

Prabhupāda explain, how one leads to the next, others are progression. “Tāmiṣra” for anger, envy brings us down into the material world. Then “andha-tāmisra” for one thinks that eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die, death is the end and death is everything that is andha-tāmisra blind, blind ignorance.

Then there is “tamas” or ignorance of the spirit soul, people just think that they are the body, like an animal they think that the body they don’t think anything else. Even if they believe in God, they think God’s purpose is to give me material things because there is nothing except material. “Moha” is the illusion of the bodily concept as one gets material things, he becomes attached and more entangled and “Mahā-moha” is one when one is mad after material things, working hard day and night to increase material enjoyments.

It is seems that modern civilization has increased the five types of ignorances very much. In Sanskrit in India. They call a high school as Vidyālaya, college as Maha Vidyālaya and university as the Viśva Vidyālaya. “Vidyā’’ meaning knowledge ‘’ālaya’’ meaning a place, ‘’mahā’’ meaning great, "viśva" meaning universal or university.

But actually, it seem that they should call it “moha-vidyālaya” place of teaching moha/illusion or mahā-moha or it says here Mahā-mohālaya because they are training people how to be mad after material life without giving any information that we are the spirit soul.

Material knowledge is necessary but material knowledge without understanding the spiritual knowledge is useless. Because such material knowledge will be used for ignorance. If someone thinks, that at death I am finished, then they think that, “I don’t have to be worried about what I do! I can do anything! If somehow or other I escape from being caught then when I die it is finished then no problem!”

But every religion says that, “there is some punishment or reward after death.” Hindu or Vedic dharma as well as Buddhism accept the laws of karma and reincarnation and in Christian they say you go to heaven or hell, I think that also in Islam they say heaven and hell, isn’t it!? So, all the religion says that, “there is life after death or some sort or another.” But Andha-tāmisra, mean that we think that there is nothing after death.

So, modern science is often telling people that, “after death there is nothing.” We are not against science. We are against what some scientists says that, “there is no life after death,” which is only unscientific. Because there is no proof that there is no life after death. They can’t prove that. That is their own speculation. So pure science means anything you say, you should prove it by observable facts. So how they can say that, something that they are not able to prove is a fact. They can’t prove that God doesn’t exist because they cannot observe him, does this mean that he does not exist.

Actually, scientists are not able to see the atoms they can only see a reflection of an electron-by-electron microscope but they are not actually able to see the atom. Similarly, we can see the reflection of God, we can see the reflection of Kṛṣṇa, He is saying that, ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā.’’ I am the seed giving father of all living entities everything there is created by me so you can see that whole material world is running very efficiently.

Einstein, was considered one of the practically the greatest scientist in the modern era, greatest thinker of scientific thought. He came to the conclusion that, “there must be supreme intelligence behind all of this because everything is got so much order.” He came to the conclusion that “order represents intelligence, disorder is a result of randomness.” So real knowledge ends with the understanding that there is God, there is absolute truth, there is Bhagavān, there is eternal spirit this is real knowledge.

And the opposite of the real knowledge is avidya or tāmisra or tamas. Ignorance means; ignorance of the soul. A person may be very learned; you have all heard the story about the boatman and a scientist. Previously here in the Malaysia they used to put on this play but from the past two years, I haven’t seen it. How there was very learned professor with PhD, Msc, Bsc, everything he was going to India. He was crossing a river with a simple boatman who had no education at all. And he was saying, “you know what is this fish? You see that fish that's the that’s the fish’s hipeterious, so looks like the fish to me. (Guru Mahārāja and Devotees: Laughing) Ass fish, trout you don’t know the science of fish?” whatever is this faciality or something, I don’t know much I am lacking in fish, you never studied fish in the university?

No, no sir, I haven’t taken all this formal education.

I just know it’s a fish, but that is the rare fish, it is black spotted fish is hipeterious, rarely seen in tropical countries and not seen anywhere else at all. We see a quite few in a day sir. (Devotees: Laughing) “About twenty five percent of life is wasted my dear boatman! You haven’t gone deep into the matter.”

Then he was going, “O you see that bird!? That’s a rare, the very rare bird.” Took out his binocular it is a flock to worry is, it's a sagittarius. [Devotees:laughing]

“It looks like a sparrow to me sir!”

“No it is red, red breast bird very rare, you don’t know the science of birds?”

“No sir I just know the boat.”

“Your fifty percent of life is wasted!”

Then they are going, “Look at that cloud look at that., that is the accumulate cloud, rare gigantic cumulus!”

Sir, we called that monsoon storm cloud. (Devotees laughing]

“You don’t know meteorology?”

I am sorry I just know it is a monsoon cloud sir.

“Seventy percent of your life is wasted.”

Sir you know swimming?

No, I don’t know swimming. I have never learned that in the university. (Devotees laughing)

Well I am afraid that the cloud if one happened to be of typhoon, storm cloud, then I think you are going to be hit by a typhoon. And my boat would probably will be capsized because we are far from the shore, so I just want to know you may how to swim!

No, no I don’t know how to swim!

Then all of a sudden storm hit, the boat was dipped over then boatman dived off.

“I think hundred percent of your life is wasted!” (Devotees laughing)

We may know everything but if we don’t know who we are, we don’t know we are the spirit soul, we don’t know we are the eternal jīvātmā then it is tamas it is real ignorance we lose everything. The meanwhile we die again we start all over in ignorance. Animal is in the “tamas” animals are in ignorance but human being got more intelligence to come out of ignorance. But being a human being if we don’t come out of the bodily concept, if we don’t realise that we are the eternal spirit soul then what we understood in life knowing that spirit is culmination of knowledge.

It is like someone may be a doctor he knows how the body is functioning, how to cure the body when it is malfunctioning or diseased. But just like in the Vedas there also a Āyurveda, they knew that the body is ultimately the source of the body is coming from the soul. Once the soul leaves the body then you can’t do anything. Modern science knows something about the body all they need to have, all that is missing is knowledge of the soul, then you get perfect understanding.

If you have so much knowledge of the body but they don’t have knowledge of the soul then you remain incomplete. It is just like now modern medicine has been able to create artificial heart, artificial kidney, artificial liver, artificial so many things so when a person they can keep a life support system. They can purify the blood in the air and everything by dialysis machine, this machine they have so many machines so while they are doing operation, they can keep the function going for some time. But if the soul leaves the body even all the machines are going but gradually everything starts to decay. They can’t keep it going indefinitely they may have to turn up the machine and call it. They don’t know what is the what is the what is that difference between one is able to have the machine working and body is even the liver is taken out putting in the liver transplant, heart transplant, kidney transplant, still the things are going, but something happens to it, doesn’t work anymore.

Things start to the brain wave stop moving, so far, they don’t have machine to make the brain go, even when a brain stops. Because the soul leaves the body, the soul leaves no matter you can’t keep the body alive. You can keep away from decomposing microbes for some time but it is not complete. You turned the machine off, he is dead. Meaning; he is already dead; it's just the machine is keeping things work.

Modern science doesn’t have the explanation because the soul is described in the Vedas as being a “cit-kaṇa” a spiritual spark. So how you see just like you can maybe get a reflection of an atom by electron microscope. Because an atom is made of electrons and protons and things like that. But same spark (soul) the ātmā is not made of electrons and protons it is not material. So what type of microscope you can see it with? You can’t see it with any material microscope. You can only see by the soul itself, that is called self-realization. Ātmā has to see himself by his own spiritual vision, cannot see the soul by anything material so how we know? We know the soul is there because when the soul is there, there is life.

The Vedas tell us that the symptom of the soul is life. When the soul is not there, there is no life. So, we can prove that there is such a thing as a life, energy. Even though we can’t see him we can see the effect of its presence that’s scientific. Even the simple person knows that the live body is different from the dead body.

The Vedas describes that, there is a living energy and we should realize that living energy, and that living energy is coming from the supreme person. The supreme absolute truth, coming from Kṛṣṇa so we are part of Kṛṣṇa. If we don’t know that, what is the living energy, that is called tamas (ignorance). When a person is in ignorance, they can do all kind of nonsense. It is easy for them to be illusioned. A person in ignorance, if he goes out to material things it is not unexpected but if ignorance becomes more entangled.

So, the devotee’s purpose is to save the people from these five types of ignorance, to free them from ignorance, so that they can achieve their real spiritual peace and happiness. If a person is in ignorance, how can he be peaceful? If there is no peace how is there happiness? Especially human beings, because human has more intelligence. If you are an animal, you are so much in ignorance - you don’t even think about it but being a human being, you know that there is death, you know that there is a future, what the future holds. Being a human being, you have the opportunity to solve this ignorance. So why should one act like an animal.

So, when we preach to people the idea is that to wake them up from ignorance so they can achieve their real happiness, they can know who they are! But people, when they are in illusion, they don’t want to know. So many times we hear people say that, “I don't want to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa” because if I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, I may have I may have to give up something material.” They don’t think that if someone chanting hare Kṛṣṇa they give up something material like taking meat or intoxication. This is because they are happy without those things so why should they do it. The real goal is to be happy, but due to illusion they become attached they think that the real goal is to eat meat and to take intoxication, to take drugs they think this is happiness.

So, they don’t have open mind. Nobody is forcing to devotees to do anything, but by chanting if they feel happy without taking cigarette and getting cancer then why should take cigarettes. They say any intelligent person could understand but someone who is in mahā-moha who is mad after these things just a thought that, “I live without these things,” they get frightened they say no better i don’t chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. They haven’t used their intelligence to think that these people are happy also, more happy than I am. But they are happy without doing all of these things.

Someone is in mahā-moha they won’t think like that. This is the problem in material life. Today we have many people, they are mad after this material enjoyment and when they see that devotees are preaching, the people become detached from material ignorance they become angry with the devotees. This is tāmisra. Why you are telling the people to become detached from material ignorance, ignorance is bliss, they want everyone to remain in ignorance.

So, in the beginning because of this type of ignorance, when the devotee used to preach, people are sometime object. They object because they don’t have the proper understanding because they are faithless. So gradually by association, by gaining some knowledge, by purification, when they understand what is actual the Kṛṣṇa conscious sights, then the very same people they say, “Oh I made a mistake! This is very good.”

So, these urges are thankless tasks. While we are preaching there always be some people ignorant, who object, who will be upset. So, we try to see things in a least agitating manner, at the same time if we don’t go forward a little bit, how the people wake up. When you are waking from ignorance, they are bound to be little reaction but once they awake, they say, “why don’t you wake me up earlier now I am late, I missed so much time.” Why didn’t I understand earlier that, I am not this body I am eternal spirit soul so. That I don’t have to be dependent on so many material things to be happy. I can be happy very simply.

So, the devotees are doing the most important welfare work by distributing Prabhupāda books, the Vedas, the essence of the Vedas – Gītā and Bhāgavata. Uncovering the people from their ignorance. This is actually saving the life, someone who is “Andha-tāmisra” who thinks that there is nothing after death, when they die they are again going to be born, when they born they are again going to die.

Actually, when you awaken such a person to his real Kṛṣṇa conscious position, they get liberation. You are saving them from death you are saving them from death many times, as if they won’t walk in they die many times. A doctor can save or postpone death but ultimately, he cannot keep us alive eternally. We go to the doctor to get healthy so we can continue up with the work but sooner or later one time the doctor will fail every life.

I told a story there was a great movie star in Bengal called Uddhava kumar, he was a big hero in a sober screen. When he got ill he called a doctor and he told the doctor, “you have to cure me.” The Doctor said, “I am sorry, but I am afraid to say that I think that now nothing I can do, you are about to die.” Now that same hero he became very anxious, he grabbed the doctor’s hand and “Doctor! Doctor save me, save me! I don’t want to die!” and he died. (Devotees laughing)

So, the newspaper man they came and they said, “Doctor your patient grabbed your hand, he was begging you to save him and just saying he died holding your hand, what you have to say about that? How do you feel not be able to save your patient?” He said, “he requested me many times and every time I saved him. Only this one time I failed.” (Devotees laughing). So, we have to forgive the Doctor that one time they are going to fail every life! (Devotees laughing). Because nobody can live forever.

So, this is the illusion, that people they don’t even think. Here Andha-tāmisra means - you think after death there is nothing. But there is a further type of ignorance or illusion where one doesn’t even think he is going to die. This is the real illusion. They are so mad, they don’t even realize the fact. Sooner or later they have to leave. But Vedas says that, “you have to die again we have going to be born, whoever die he is going to be born, whoever born is bound to die this is the fact.”

Buddhist also accept this axiom, the Vedas also tell us that if you become fully God conscious, Kṛṣṇa conscious then we don’t have to take again birth in material world we go back to the spiritual world. This is the real purpose of life is to get back to home to Godhead. If we develop love for Kṛṣṇa then it is as good as being even now in this world is good as being in the spiritual world. For someone who has love for Kṛṣṇa they don’t care whether they living or dying. They are living with Kṛṣṇa they are dying with Kṛṣṇa. Ultimate peace and happiness we can achieve in one second if we develop our pure devotion for Kṛṣṇa, that counteracts all the ignorances.

One point just in conclusion, even in transcendental activities sometimes the low-grade mentality of tāmisra continues. As tāmisra is the envy or anger sometime you find a devotee become very angry. Why does senior devotee not giving me my position, why senior devotee not feels wider at them, why should they become they remain angry. So this is the condition of ignorance which is not appropriate for a devotee to be angry in this way. We are only angry when Kṛṣṇa is offended, when guru is offended. We don’t become angry for all these material things. Sometime the devotee showing this anger is not appropriate for transcendental life. It is a type of immaturity in spiritual life so we should avoid this anger in the devotional service. Anger against other devotees, envy against other devotee, dissatisfaction.

If we grown up doing our devotional service, we can experience transcendental bliss. Only if someone is going against the śāstra, if they are going against Kṛṣṇa then we can be angry, why you are going against Kṛṣṇa? Why you are going against the Vedas? These are all very practical instructions we should learn from them and we should see how the people are in different types of ignorance. We can categorize the people of the world, this prime minister is seen in tāmisra, andha-tāmisra, tamas, moha and mahā-moha.

This president which of the five ignorance is in him? This political leader, this scientist, this so-called leader are they conditioned by the five ignorances?

This Rāmāyaṇa lecturer, which ignorance is in him? (The professional lecturer). Then how to get out of these ignorances, so we can be in the natural cure state of eternal blissful knowledge of pure devotion.

 

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare

Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare

Any question?

Question: A devotee then he finds that there are many movements and they are all like equally good in philosophy and they are giving very good sound philosophical reasons and also he could find faults with the different movements. Point is that, how do we come to a conclusion which one of these movements are showing the path which we will follow in spiritual life?

Jayapatākā Swami: what we mentioned earlier was that, transcendental science is beyond the range of human experience. That transcendental science is revealed to us from the Vedas. So, any spiritual movement should be according to the Vedas, according to the Vedic literatures. It should actually lead us to the absolute truth.

So, any given time we may find it is better than what I have now, so we go to that. but we still not satisfied we find that there is some deficiency. We find that better Idea we go, Vedic philosophy is based upon our progress. Until you reach the absolute truth. So, there be the one person go to through twenty-five or hundred groups before he finds one that actually gives the complete absolute truth. Once he reaches the absolute truth, he is not seeker any more, he found!  He is the finder.

Our goal is not remain always seeking but to become a finder. You want to find the truth. For always seeking, first is you have to before getting involved, you have to sure that it is properly based on the Vedas, their philosophy is actually complete, their process is complete, the people are authorized in a disciplic succession. They are actually practicing or trying to practice what they are preaching, they are themselves sincere people, they are not just cheating. Then you get the basis of convince that the thing is proper according to the Vedas, people are sincerely trying to follow it, it is a bonafide movement. Then ultimately to get yourself practice it then by practicing then you can actually get intellect what is really the substance... then you have to find that the it is not what is mean ought to be, we go on you find a proper Guru, a proper spiritual movement.

Once you find a guru then you first thing is all this seeker, they have to find a guru just by going and looking in the dark is no use. You have to find a bona-fide guru and the guru guide you through all the levels. It is like someone is seeking he trying to figure out what’s wrong, he is poking he need to go to a doctor. The problem is most people they don’t know they are sick. They know something wrong, but they don’t know that what’s wrong is there in this ignorance. The people know they are sick that is the first thing, someone knows he is sick they go to the doctor; the doctor says take this medicine, take this treating he gets cured. But sometimes people they are coughing. They don't even think they are coughing; they don’t realize they are sick. (Devotees laughing)

These are the problems in people are ignorant they say why!? I want peace! I want peace. I am doing so many poojas. I am worshipping this avatar, that avatar. I am getting access from this picture. I am getting so many bribes still not giving any peace. And you try to explain to them, that the problem is that they don’t want to hear that this one peace. Like I want a packet, one kilo peace!

Just like in the petrol station you got this special sixty cent and you get out one you see, chrysanthemum or litchi drink they want one, one drink peace (Devotees laughing) . shoooo! How much I have to give? I gave. I do little pooja give me some peace. They won’t realize that, you want to get lasting peace. You have to actually take a proper cure, you have to awaken up out of ignorance, you have to find a bonafide guru and you have to follow the prescription he gives. Someone has got sickness, he is taking some capsules just like this, hiding the symptoms but sooner or later they have to actually cure the disease. They should find a guru, they should be cautious they can before taking a commitment with a guru permanently, they can follow the process they can understand they can go deeper into it. They can ask question they should have their doubt eradicated when one is convinced he takes shelter and they go to a higher level completely eradicate the ignorance. “om ajñāna timirandhasya”, taking away the ajñāna and all this form of ignorance timirāndhasya, tāmisra, andha-tāmisra, tamas, moha and mahā-moha.

Any other question?

Devotee: In Bhagavad-gītā, chapter two, verse twenty one purport, Prabhupāda quotes from Manu Saṁhitā, Prabhupāda says

Guru Mahārāja: what verse?

Devotee: Twenty-one purport.

Guru Mahārāja: What chapter?

Devotee: Chapter two

Guru Mahārāja: Give the Bhagavad gītā. yes,

Devotee: Prabhupāda quotes from Manu Saṁhitā in the purport, he says a person he murders somebody and he is hanged up, materially punished so he is liberated from that sinful activity. What about the karma spiritually because materially he was punished?

Jayapatākā Swami: No, it says here that “O Pārtha how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal, immutable can kill anyone and cause anyone to kill?” This is the verse explaining that the body is only killed but soul is indestructible. So in the purport Prabhupāda says that, the violence has its utility how to apply violence rest with the person in the knowledge. Although the justice of the peace awards capital punishment if the person is condemned for murder. The justice can’t be blamed because he orders violence to another person according to the codes of justice.

So, in another words the judge is condemning someone to die, he is not going to be hanged himself for doing that, because he is doing that according to the codes of justice. Then why this is explained, in Manu Saṁhitā the law book for mankind, it support that the murder should be condemn to death so in his next life he would not have to suffer for the great sin he has committed.

Therefore, the king’s punishment of hanging of a murderer is actually beneficial. In other words, a man has killed someone, the karma for that is in next life he will be also killed and he have to suffer a lot of suffering for being a murderer. But if the same lifetime he is hanged, then that karma for killing the man is wiped away. That doesn’t mean that he is liberated. Only that particular karma, that particular karma is counteracted. That particular karma and many karmas by being hanged you get cleared up by quite a few karmas. Because as you are hanged so you are getting a lot of bad karma gets wiped away including that karma for, in particular that karma for murder.

So, it is said that, sometime a person even by being hanged he gets a higher birth after death, whereas by after being a murderer if he is not punished, he escapes next birth. He is given a very low birth and he has to suffer a lot. It is not that the, you hang a person he is liberated from all karmas. Just that particular karma. Otherwise everyone can hang himself and get liberated. (Devotees laughing)  It is not the system of self-realization. You see, don’t create some new kind of cult. We shouldn’t commit suicide, you can rid of karma also by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and dancing, do tulasī parikramā, you take Kṛṣṇa prasādam all this things can rid the karma by serving the devotees. So in this way you get rid of karmas by surrendering to Kṛṣṇa fully then he will take responsibility for your karmas. And all these systematically taken away. Getting rid of karma is one aspect other aspect is we have to also develop our spiritual attraction, develop our spiritual knowledge, our spiritual love for Kṛṣṇa. So that attraction to Kṛṣṇa, that attachment to Kṛṣṇa, that love for Kṛṣṇa will pull us out of the material world.

Hare Kṛṣṇa

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Verifyed by Kamalakshi Narayani Devi Dasi (9 July 2018)
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