19950105 Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 4.28.63

Lecture Code: 19950105-SB

Scripture: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam                                                              

Verse: 4.28.63

Date: 05/01/1995

Place: Singapore

 

Transcribed By: Dipa Das

Transcribed star date: 15 Jul 2019 End date: 30th Jul 2019

 

First Level Proofer:  Ausra Mj, Reading UK Bhakti Vriksha

First Level Proofed on: 18th June 2020

 

Editorial Changes (non voice): Usha

Date: 5-Jan-2021

 

STATUS: Completed

 

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https://archives.Jayapatākā swami.com/courses/304945/lectures/5000888

 

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The following is a class given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami on January 5^th 1995 in Singapore. The Class begins with a reading from the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 4^th Canto, Chapter 28, Verse 63.

 

His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami:

 

6802

I am very pleased to hear your statement about the tape, and about Brahmacārī life. Yes, the anchor, as in the sketch-story "The Grand Procession'' is sex life, and we are 50% liberated if we can make it nil. There isn't any difference between chanting the Holy Name at the same time washing the dishes of the Temple. So, do not be worried when you are attracted for doing other work in the Temple.

There is variegatedness in transcendental activities. Sometimes we like to chant, sometimes we like to wash dishes. There is no difference on the Absolute plane. I am sure Kṛṣṇa will give you all intelligence to work transcendentally. Hope you are well.

Śrīla Prabhupāda’s letter to Satsvarupa 15^th February 1968

 

6802

The faith increases in Kṛṣṇa Consciousness by our voluntary increase of serving Kṛṣṇa. Serving Kṛṣṇa is unlimited, and he can accept our unlimited service, and award us unlimited transcendental pleasure in the unlimited service of the Lord. That is the meaning of unlimited.

SPL to Brahmānanda 20^th Feb 1968

 

6805

It is very good news that the girl Haridasa is dreaming about Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa is playing with her; it is very much encouraging. It means she will come out a great and successful devotee of Kṛṣṇa when she is grown up and young. May Kṛṣṇa bless her, and her good parents, who are training her in that way. Please offer my thanks to Balarāma and his good wife.

Śrīla Prabhupāda’s letter to Mukunda 6^th May 1968

 

6806

Your judgment that because you think that you cannot take part in the translation work, therefore, you have decided to contribute for its publication. This dictation from within your heart from Kṛṣṇa is quite in order. For serving the Lord, we require to sacrifice our life, our wealth, our intelligence, and our words. One can serve the Lord with these four possessions; if not, with three, if not, then with two or even one, and that is sufficient to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I wish that you can utilize your best talents in business organization and the result utilize for Kṛṣṇa's satisfaction is on the absolute platform. To make the idea more clear, if I am translating Śrīmad -Bhāgavatam, and if you are contributing for its publication and helping for its distribution, this means there is no difference between your service and my service. In the absolute platform there is no such distinction. And service is always on the absolute platform. One has to make the best use of his talent for the service of Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. Best example is Arjuna, that he utilized his talents, military science, in the service of Kṛṣṇa.

 

Śrīla Prabhupāda’s letter to Gargamuni 7^th June 1968

 

6806

I think your chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa regularly is being responded by Kṛṣṇa and He is giving you good sense how to make preaching propaganda on behalf of His Lordship.

 

It is confirmed in the Śrīmad -Bhāgavatam, as you might have seen it, that one who hears about Kṛṣṇa, for him, Kṛṣṇa helps in various ways and the first thing is that He cleanses the mind of all dusty matter and by continuing such chanting and by reading regularly Śrīmad -Bhāgavatam, one becomes gradually freed from the influence of passion and ignorance, and thus becomes situated in goodness.

 

In such platform one can engage oneself in serious devotional service, and thus one becomes illuminated with the transcendental knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. This stage is called liberated stage, and at this time one becomes freed from all doubts and material bondage, and thus his life becomes successful. Please try to follow this principle, and I am sure you will be happy and successful in your execution of this Kṛṣṇa Consciousness movement.

 

Śrīla Prabhupada to Harivilasa, 10th June 1968

 

6806

Maharaja Dasarath, although he was a great devotee of the Lord, but because he was a Kṣatriya king, keeping one's promise is inevitable for him.

 

He preferred to banish Rāmacandra on the request of his wife on the principle of keeping his promise. In higher states of spiritual life, one can break even promises also, but they are devotees of comparative merit. In the case of Vasudeva, we find that he was spiritually more advanced than Maharaja Dasarath.

 

Vāsudeva was also in agreement with Kamsa that he would deliver all his sons to his hand, as soon as the child is born. But in the case of Kṛṣṇa he broke his promise. The point is that Kṛṣṇa appeared as the full-fledged Personality of Godhead.

 

But Rāmacandra appeared as an ideal king.

 

Therefore, in the Līlā of Rāmacandra, principles of morality and ethics as they are to be followed by ideal king and ruler was followed.

 

In the same sense, He banished Sītā in order to prove Himself as an ideal king who wanted to make His subjects always happy. The whole program was on the basis of an ideal king.

 

But in the case of Lord Kṛṣṇa, He played as full independent Supreme Personality of Godhead. Apparently, therefore he transgressed so many moral and ethical principles. These comparative studies on the life of Kṛṣṇa and Rāmacandra is very intricate, but the basic principle is that Rāmacandra appeared as an ideal king and Kṛṣṇa appeared as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although there is no difference between the two.

 

A similar example is Lord Caitanya. He appeared as devotee, and not as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although He is Kṛṣṇa Himself.

 

So, we should accept the Lord's mood in particular appearances and we should worship Him in that mood.

 

Sometimes Lord Caitanya, because He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, somebody worships Him in the same manner as Kṛṣṇa. But Kṛṣṇa was in the role of enjoyer and Lord Caitanya is in the role of being enjoyed.

 

So, the party known as Gaurāṅga Nagari, they are considered to be deviated from pure devotional service, on account of Lord Caitanya given the same facility of Kṛṣṇa, which He did not like. Our service mood should be compatible to the attitude of the Lord. Not that we should overlap the attitude of Kṛṣṇa to Lord Caitanya, or Lord Caitanya to Kṛṣṇa, or Kṛṣṇa to Rāmacandra, or Rāmacandra to Kṛṣṇa.

 

Therefore, in the Sastras, specific injunctions are there, just like to worship Lord Caitanya is by the method of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Devotees say Hare Kṛṣṇa) Yes, it is true that Ramacandra banished Sita later on.

 

Ayodhya is not bound up with any material worlds.

 

Just like Vrindaban is not bound up by any material limitations, as much as Kṛṣṇa is not bound up by any material limitations.

 

So, the kingdom of Ayodhya historically was a tract of land as we see at the present moment, but at that time the king of Ayodhya was the emperor of the world.

 

Śrīla Prabhupāda’s letter to Satsvarupa 16^th June 1968

 

 

yathā puruṣa ātmānam

ekam ādarśa-cakṣuṣoḥ

dvidhābhūtam avekṣeta

tathaivāntaram āvayoḥ

 

Although he and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are one in quality, the living entity is prone to forget his spiritual identity, whereas the Supreme Personality never forgets. This is the difference between lipta and alipta.

 

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally alipta, uncontaminated by the external energy. The conditioned soul, however, being in contact with material nature, forgets his real identity; therefore, when he sees himself in the conditioned state, he identifies himself with the body. For the Supreme Personality of Godhead, however, there is no difference between the body and the soul. He is completely soul; He has no material body.

 

Although the Supersoul, Paramātmā, and the individual soul are both within the body, the Supersoul is devoid of designation, whereas the conditioned soul is designated by his particular type of body. The Supersoul is called antaryāmī, and He is extensive. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (13.3). Kṣetrajñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata: “O scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies.”

 

The Supersoul is present in everyone’s body, whereas the individual soul is conditioned in one particular type of body. The individual soul cannot understand what is taking place in another’s body, but the Supersoul knows very well what is happening in all bodies. In other words, the Supersoul is always present in His full spiritual position, whereas the individual soul is prone to forget himself. Nor is the individual soul present everywhere. Generally, in his conditioned state the individual soul cannot understand his relationship with the Supersoul, but sometimes, when he is free from all conditional existence, he can see the real difference between the Supersoul and himself. When the Supersoul tells the conditioned soul, “You and I are one and the same,” it is to remind the conditioned soul of his spiritual identity as being qualitatively one. In the Third Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (3.28.40), it is said:

 

yatholmukād visphuliṅgād

dhūmād vāpi sva-sambhavāt

apy ātmatvenābhimatād

yathāgniḥ pṛthag ulmukāt

 

Fire has different features. There is flame, the sparks and the smoke. Although these are one in quality, there is still a difference between the fire, the flame, the spark and the smoke. The living entity becomes conditioned, but the Supreme Personality of Godhead is different because He does not become conditioned at any point. In the Vedas it is stated: ātmā tathā pṛthag draṣṭā bhagavān brahma-saṁjñitaḥ. Ātmā is the individual soul as well as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the seer of everything. Although both are spirit, there is always a difference. In the smṛti it is also said: yathāgneḥ kṣudrā visphuliṅgā vyuccaranti. Just as sparks manifest in a large fire, similarly the small individual souls are present in the big spiritual flame. In Bhagavad-gītā (9.4) Lord Kṛṣṇa says, mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ: “All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.” Although all living beings are resting in Him, as small fiery sparks rest on a large flame, both are differently situated. Similarly, in the Viṣṇu Purāṇa it is said:

 

eka-deśa-sthitasyāgner

jyotsnā vistāriṇī yathā

parasya brahmaṇaḥ śaktis

tathedam akhilaṁ jagat

 

“Fire is situated in one place, but it distributes heat and light. Similarly, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is distributing His energies in different ways.” The living entity is but one of these energies (marginal energy). The energy and the energetic are one in one sense, but they are differently situated as energy and the energetic. Similarly, the sac-cid-ānanda form confirmed in Brahma-saṁhitā (īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]) is different from that of the living entity in both his conditioned and liberated states. Only atheists consider the living entity and the Personality of Godhead equal in all respects. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore says, māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa: “If one follows the instructions of Māyāvādī philosophers and believes that the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the individual soul are one, his understanding of real philosophy is forever doomed.”

 

His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami: Thus, end the Bhaktivedanta Swami translation and purport to text 63, chapter 28, canto 4 of the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam in the matter of Purañjana Becomes a Woman in the Next Life.

 

Translation:

As a person sees the reflection of his body in a mirror to be one with himself and not different, whereas others actually see two bodies, so in our material condition, in which the living being is affected and yet not affected, there is a difference between God and the living entity.

 

So, it's very lengthy purport, Śrīla Prabhupāda has given various examples from different parts of the Veda’s, Bhagavata Gītā, Śrīmad Bhāgavata, Viṣṇu Purāṇa, Chaitanya Caritāmṛta, because this is a basic fundamental point that we must get very clear, that what is the relationship between the individual spirit soul and the Supreme spirit. There are aspects which are the same, which are not different and there are aspects which are different.

 

Just like a father tells his son that we are both human, we both have the same quality, there’s nothing wrong the father doesn’t have to…this father told the son your as big as I am, then the son knows the father is joking with him because he can see his father is very big and son is this small, so there’s no sense in saying we’re the same size.

 

So, the Lord here is saying we’re the same, the point was it's obvious that the living entity is limited in his power. So, by power there’s definitely difference, Lord is all powerful, and the living entity has only small bit of power.

 

But quality of the Lord is eternal living entity is eternal. Lord is …has spiritual knowledge, living entity can also have spiritual knowledge. And the Lord has spiritual happiness so then the living entity by nature should be experiencing spiritual bliss. These qualities are common, now if there weren’t any common qualities then the Lord trying to strike up or relating with the living entity on an equal basis wouldn’t be possible.

 

Just like someone may have a pet fish, you see people have pet goldfish.

 

Here in Singapore, but it's not like you can have a very intimate relationship with your Goldfish, you can look at it, you can feed it, maybe you can you know like it and become attached to it, but there’s not a lot of communication there, there’s not a lot of interchange or reciprocation. Maybe the most you can get is the goldfish to come up and eat the food from the top when you feed it or something or…it’s a big gap there.

 

People are trying to establish relationships with their dogs, and sometimes they feel that they have a relationship with the dog.

 

One lady in America, she left one hundred and thirty-five million dollars inheritance to her cat, she was a rich cat, because she felt that her cat was so helpful to her, only friend. So, left all the money in a trust fund so that cat can fully enjoy hundred and thirty-five million US dollars (devotees’ laughter) two hundred million Singapore dollars!

 

When the cat died, a very big tomb will be built for it, and rest of the money will go to the charity. But really how much is the cat able to reciprocate with the lady? Lady might’ve thought the cat was reciprocating, it is very limited amount of reciprocation one can get.

 

So, the Supreme Lord and the living entity, with the living entity is purified from the material contamination can be either similar or the same kind of absolute platform qualitatively. Therefore, the Lord can have direct and complete relationship.

 

Of course, the Lord has his really fully complete relationship with His Internal energies, like Rādhārāṇī, Lakṣmī and the living entities. They also have relationship with the Lord but generally there is assistance to the internal energies. So, the relationship as complete it is possible because we are the same quality.

 

The Māyāvādī means impersonalist’s, Māyā means illusion and they say they’ll take away the illusion and they realize we’re God, therefore they call themselves Māyāvādī. Simply we move illusion and we realize we’re God, we’re all God but this is very erroneous concept. By having this concept that everything Is one they make so many offences against Kṛṣṇa. They actually bring Kṛṣṇa down to the condition state, they give conditioned soul false ideas that they’re actually God and thus the devotional mood is destroyed.

If somebody thinks that they’re God, then how will they be devoted to God?

 

Just like if the parents spoil the child and the child may think that my mother and father are just meant for serving me and then may become very spoilt and may become very unruly. You know the example of the child who mis used the free will?

 

They tell you that story about the child who didn’t get up in the morning?

 

 This example from the Veda’s, there was one family and they had only one son so what they did is they really served the son hand and foot, and when he was about 9 years old, he was already thinking that you know ‘I’m the Lord of this house’. Because mother and father whatever I want they give me. So, he instead of learning that he should be serving the parents because whatever he wanted, they thought that the goal in life of the parent was to satisfy the son.

 

So, what happened was they spoilt the son, and he never learnt the proper attitude that what is life.

 

So one day the son was in his room, he locked all the doors and windows and he put his head under the pillow and under the blanket, and he didn’t get up, so the mother came over and was knocking in all (Knocking noise) ‘my dear flower puff, please get up its morning time’ and he shouted out you know ‘ I know you’re a dacoit! You’re a thief in the night come here to rob me, it’s still dark, I don’t see any light, and you’re a thief who is trying to imitate the voice of my mother, so I’ll not open the door because you’ll rob me’ and the mother called the father, what’s going on here and then the father said ‘look here my dear son it’s 9 in the morning, it’s not midnight, there’s sunlight outside, you can open the door’.

 

So now another thief is coming

‘imitating my father, you’re all expert theirs, I won’t open the door, I know it’s midnight, I don’t see any light it’s dark here’.

‘Just open the windows and you’ll see there’s light’

‘Don’t try to trick me, I already know your tricks, it's dark in here’

‘What do you mean dark?

The sun is out, the whole world is illuminated by the sun, you can see the whole world, very big light’

 

So (Inaudible) you see the sun is so powerful, it’s the eye of Vishnu, well if the sun is so powerful, I’m in here in the room with doors and windows shut, if it's really that powerful, let them come in the room without me opening the windows and doors, otherwise I don’t believe in the Sun also, it’s all bogus, (Devotee laugh) What is all these nonsense! His (inaudible)

His father ‘Listen just open the door and see the light, stop this nonsense’

 

So that boy is called ‘Alal-Dulala’ spoilt by too much affection.

 

He got the wrong idea, so the Mayavadis they spoil people, they tell them ‘Your God’, so they grow up spoilt, they all think ‘I’m God, we’re all God, Everyone’s God’ they never learn what you really are. There like spoiling a child, they grow up, and they think the whole world is meant to serve them, they get their root awakening in the real world they have to do so many sacrifices and everyone is not out to serve them, more or less everyone is out to cheat them.

 

Only a few people are their well-wishers, so these Mayavadi’s They’re telling everybody that their all God and then what happens is people misuse their free will.

 

Ultimately, we all have the free will to serve the Lord or not, but normally eve if somebody gets idea that this is supreme lord, He might choose ‘I don’t want to serve him’ Probably the boy knew it was the daylight and he was just playing around but he was acting very spoilt. So, he was misusing his free will, but see the Mayavadis are one step further because of their bewildering philosophy. If you take like the boy, if you really believed what he was saying, really thought it was dark out, this Mayavadis therefore is worst ignorance then the materialists in some respect, in some respect their better because they know there’s a spirit and there’s a matter. But in other respect their worst-off because they think that everyone is God. So, they, it’s like a dead-end road, it looks good when you go in but you can’t get out from it. Want to get out, you have to go back the way you entered and continue on. Mayavad is a dead-end road, you can never reach to Kṛṣṇa Consciousness through Mayavad.

 

This says we are not God; we are only qualitatively one with God, we can never reach Kṛṣṇa, all we can reach is the impersonal truth. Kṛṣṇa realized in three forms: Impersonal Brahma Jyoti, as localized super soul, four handed form of Vishnu in the heart and as the supreme personality of Godhead Bhagawan who is in the spiritual world now when someone, the spirit also has got this illumination quality, if they see the effulgence of the spirit soul, individual soul, and they see the unlimited effulgence of the Brahman, of the Brahmā Jyoti, they might think that this time is same. That’s about as far as they can get, actually when one drop of ocean sees the rest of the ocean, if the drop thinks ‘now I am entering the ocean, now I have become the ocean’ is that real? One drop is still one drop.

 

One molecule of water cannot become the whole ocean even if it mixes with the ocean of water. It always remains one molecule.

 

Similarly, an individually soul is always one individual soul, even if it's in the ocean of other individual spirit souls, it may simply not be able to distinguish itself from anybody else. It may just be there in a very undifferentiated situation in the light becomes unconscious so to speak of its individuality, but it doesn’t mean it becomes God, just can’t tell the difference.

 

So just like that child was misusing the freewill, at least (inaudible) if we have the right idea that I am an individual soul and the Lord is also individual but His unlimited and I’m limited therefore if I get His shelter,  his protection I can advance, this *will (Not Sure) decide them to serve, the Mayavadis say they get better understanding that we’re all one then the question why should I surrender to God? I am God.

 

See I just had to one day may all get liberated now realize that I am God, so there’s really you know… I can worship God just you know… but also might worship God just like some kind off an act, I’m worshiping myself.

 

I went to see this Sankaracharya at Puri in 1971/1970, he was worshiping Radha and Kṛṣṇa Deity’s beautiful deity’s, so I asked him

‘you’re saying you are God but then why are you worshiping Radha and Kṛṣṇa?’

‘I’m worshipping myself (Devotee laughter) Just a different form of myself’

 

So, I said ‘Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are so beautiful, they are always young but you become old and your you know getting old and wrinkles (Devotee laughter)’

He said ‘This is my Līlā (Devotee laughter)’

I said ‘My dear Swami Ji, everyone is going to their Līlā, to remain eternally young is an exceptional Līlā, which everyone will be attracted to but growing old is nothing very special, if you can stop that Līlā, people will be impressed. (Devotee laughter)

 

Somehow even a very, although he was a big pandit, but because of his impersonal concept everything gets twisted in their brains. They get permanently short circuit and they’re not able to see things as they are. In everything they’re just thinking I’m God and one day I’ll realize I’m God. And even if they’re fortunate to realize the impersonal Brahman, they might think that they were God.

 

But actually, we’re never God. We’re qualitatively God, we’re server, serving God, Minute serving Gods and Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme enjoying God, there is a difference. We are minute particle of the spark in the fire and the whole fire. From Him smoke, flames & sparks are coming, flames might be like the internal energies, smoke like the material energy and the sparks like the living entities, they are very small. The spark leaves the fire goes out, in the fire it stays lit.

 

There’s another example I think I told you about the example between the cow dung payasam you know that example, you heard cow dung payasam see once there was a Mayavadi who was invited over to lunch for by a devotee who was his friend and devotee’s trying to explain to him what the error in his philosophy, so he prepared you know rice and Sabji rasam and sambar and everything. All the nice preparation, at the end he gave some payasam. Run (Not sure) out of payasam, it was not phalum payasam or the Milk payasam, it was gobor payasam (devotee laughter) cow dung! He put the cow dung in rice, a little sugar together and mixed it up so that the person said you know ‘what is this?’

‘This a payasam’

‘Why is all this brown’ and all cow dung, ‘what’s wrong with it’

‘no but usually we’re having with milk or something you know, I mean milk is coming from what, this is coming from cow and what is gobor coming from, it’s coming from cow, so what’s the difference? Milk or gobar it’s all from cow, it's all one, so why do you see the difference? Your saying everything is one, you see so I’m giving you cow dung payasam (devotees laughter) Enjoy!

‘No but I don’t feel so inclined, I prefer to have the milk payasam’ (devotees’ laughter)

‘Then you are not following your philosophy’

 

This is a problem, Māyāvādī philosophy is not practical, they say everything coming from God is God how is it possible. There’s a difference, there’s a difference in the material energy, there’s a difference in the spiritual energy. There’s a difference to the Lord himself and his energies. The Lord can do things we can’t do!

 

Similar you can make with cow dung and could put on the wall and you can put on the floor and you can make fire yagnas and very nice cow dung has many uses, you can make patties and burn it. But with milk you can’t do that, you cannot make patty’s, you put milk on the wall it's not going to have the same effect.

 

Similarly, with cow dung you can’t make sweet rice or yogurt, if you try to turn the cow dung into yogurt, or get ghee out of cow dung, you won’t get it because the difference is although it's coming all from the cow but its two different purposes and different uses. Might all be good similarly the Lord has got varieties of energies Viras-asakti vivadayva suryate (Not Sure) and all energies has their specialties, yet they’re all coming from the Lord, they have also some common origin.

 

So we are energy of the Lord, we are not the Cow, we are one of the energies of the Lord, we are not coming, we are not the Lord himself neither we are same as other energies, Lord Caitanya when he was a small child, He was, His mother though just a baby, just like crawling, just like maybe one year old, one and a half like that just kind of small just talking, crawling little walking, so mother brought out some Sandesh sweets, burfi, rasgulla and gave on a plate and said have some sweet, but the child picked up the dirt and start eating the dirt, mother said don’t eat dirt, and the child said why not?

 

This is dirt and that Sandesh and rasgulla is also only coming from earth, because it's all coming from Earth so this dirt or that dirt, what’s the difference?

 

And the mother had to think you know what is my son saying, I know there’s a difference, so what’s the difference? It’s all Earth. It’s all transformation of the same Earth and I like to eat the dirt Earth rather than a Sandesh, so she had to, she got a piece of brick or a clay pot or something and she took it and filled it with water.

And she said when you take the Earth and you fire it and this form as a brick or a clay pot, you put water it doesn’t get destroyed, you can hold water in a clay pot. But she put some dirt from the ground poured water on it became mud! She put the crude earth, she put the water it becomes mud! So, Earth in different form has different use.

 

So Similarly, if you eat the crude earth, you’ll get sick, but if you eat the earth in the form as food stuff which is prepared and offered to Kṛṣṇa you get healthy. So, you can eat the Sandesh but you shouldn’t eat the crude dirt just like you can put water in a clay pot but can’t put water in hold by the crude dirt.

 

 

Then baby Nimāi said mummy Why didn’t you tell me this before if you don’t tell then how would I know what to eat and what not to eat. Then he started crying and saying give me your breast I’m hungry.

 

So sometime Lord Chaitanya would reveal his transcendental play but He’s showing opulence that normally no child would have then again, He covers himself up and motherly affection, His mother, she forgets everything.

 

So here mother Śacī she was in a predicament, she had to preach to her son who thought everything was one, she had to free him from this impersonal idea, qualitatively everything might be dirt or Earth but the Earth in different transformation is different.

So, we’re all Brahman, we’re all spirit, everything is coming from spirit but in a different form, it has different use, and Kṛṣṇa is the total He’s the supreme, He’s the Supreme spirit so we can never be the same as he is in quantity.

 

This is Prabhupāda’s ring, think He was given here in south east Asia in Indonesia it’s endeavored Garuda on it. This is got some gold in it, the quality of this…the quantity of this gold is black to the quantity in the gold mine.

 

I was just in Australia and south Africa and both the places are mining gold. Right now there’s a gold rush going on in Australia because they found a new process to get the gold out of the gold ore which before they couldn’t get it out, they got you know certain percent out the rest had such a small quantity that they just left it.

 

But now with improvement of technology they can get out gold from even that dust that was thrown away, some small percentage was there but now the technology can get it out, so now everybody is rushing back to the gold mine to get that dirt to get the gold out.

 

So, the quality of the gold where there’s in a gold mine you get tons and tons, they were saying how some mine was giving some 6 hundred thousand tons of gold or something like that 6 million I forget. So much gold it gave them in its history, now it’s reopening so the quantity of the gold in the gold mine is so great, the quality is same, quantity is different, so Kṛṣṇa like the gold mine, unlimited gold, in comparison to the gold of the individual souls like a little ring or earring or something, small quantity.

 

The quality is the same, this is the thing we have to understand we have the same quality of Kṛṣṇa therefore, why Kṛṣṇa is telling us this?

 

Why are you acting like a material person? You’re not of this material world, you’re my quality you also have eternity, knowledge, bliss, you are eternal!

 

Why are you acting as the body? Wake up from this illusion! You are same quality as I am, you should be acting on a spiritual way, only using the material body for spiritual purposes not being used by the material body, you’re not to serve the body, body is to serve you.

 

Because you think we’re the body you go on serving the body, you’re decorating the body, body is a…  it’s like you got you gas tank filled, air tires are filled you think now I am in bliss, my gas tank has got petrol, my tires have got air, my mobile *has *everything (Not Sure), so now this is the perfection like I can keep my gas tank full then I’m always… this is perfection but by doing that it’s not going to make you any you know, maybe psychologically one can be happy but actually it doesn’t really give the deep satisfaction we’re looking for, the material illusion is we because when we eat something, we feel pleasure, when we get I don’t know, we don’t… may not feel directly sensual pleasure  when you fill your gas tank psychologically might feel but this pleasure we feel with the material body is illusion.

 

It’s a temporary illusion that is created through the false ego so although we’re getting some sensation of pleasure, it’s not the real happiness that we’re looking for it’s more like…somehow  we’re just a very strong indicator like a control panel in our body  when we feel things which are good for us is pleasure and we feel things which are bad, we cut our foot we feel pain bad experience of that.

 

So, this is… to * revive (not audible) who didn’t know some people they don’t feel pain and they’re called the *bolivars (Not Sure) like they get caught and they don’t feel it and they may bleed to death particularly they don’t feel any pain.

 

So, this body should feel pleasure and pain we know what’s happening. Kṛṣṇa wants people to make children, so the world continues to have procreation many populations so He gives please when people have sex life.

 

Nowadays the government said they didn’t want so many children like in Singapore they made policy don’t have so many children, now they started if we go on like this, we will become extinct, there’ll be no more Singaporeans (Devotee laughter) this happen also in Finland.

 

Finland has only 6 million people also and the government made the policy that family planning they call it, kind of institutionalized murder but in any case, what happen is that people got into habit of not having children so what’s happening is that the population is going down.

 

And then there was a big headline in here that if you don’t have kids the Fins will be finished. They called Finland people Fins so the Fins will be finished. The language is called Finish, they’ll be finished!

 

So now they’re offering if anybody has a child there, if you’re a Finish person and have a child they give you 5 thousand dollars, 13 months leave with pay still they don’t want now. Getting pregnant and all the difficulty, they have enough money why do I go through all the trouble. So, then there in a big problem they don’t know what to do their population is going down.

 

Some rich man there started a fund to offer bigger and bigger bonuses if you have a child, not just having a baby there it’s like a business, so that happen here also now the government here is saying I heard that *child *you *had *to(*Not audible) have three or *more *affair (Not audible) of the money but before they were saying have less because now they’re seeing that they’re in trouble, nobody has babies, the Singapore will gradually not have any Singaporeans, there‘ll be a problem.

 

So, Kṛṣṇa, He wanted people to have children, and He made the things which you should do, which you should do to some extent He made it pleasurable. Should eat, so He made eating pleasant, He made sex life pleasurable, but then people if only want that pleasure and they get out of control so ultimately Human being has to regulate acquaint intelligence what is good for us, too much anything is not good so there’s a whole system given in Veda’s how to regulate people by karmas.

 

But then ultimately it says the real purpose of life is not just to have regulated material happiness, but the real purpose is to regain our original spiritual position to realize that we’re that we are qualitatively one with the Lord and have a real spiritual happiness which is relation with Kṛṣṇa.

 

So that is what the basis of this verse is today we can get that spiritual happiness by serving Kṛṣṇa, by chanting His holy names, by serving his devotees. If we have the proper consciousness, we can get this pleasure very easily, spiritual happiness which is not dependent on material things.

 

But if we think we’re God and we’re just playing a Lila that we’re serving the other forms of the same God then eventually all this illusion will disappear and will realize we’re all one then we don’t get that spiritual bliss. We may get some peace, but we don’t really get the spiritual happiness that the Vaishnavas are getting.

 

Mother Śacī in that past time with her son how she’s feeling, all the love she’s feeling is really spiritual, although looks like a normal mother and a child but because she has so much love and its actually Kṛṣṇa the love she’s feeling is on a higher platform.

 

So, this is a great mystery for that Māyāvādī’s they can’t figure out what is going on in Kṛṣṇa’s past times because it looks like material activities. When mother Yashoda is milking the cow for feeding Kṛṣṇa they don’t realize the internal, what is the sentiment the feeling, the sentiment is not… the emotions that they’re feeling is something completely transcendentally satisfying to the self.

 

You see the 4 Kumara’s were realized in the Brahman, they couldn’t also understand what is it that devotees are experiencing, they just thought this is not very important until they went to the Vaikunta, bowed down to Narayana and smelled the Tulasī on His lotus feet then he started to feel the hair standing on end they started to feel the happiness in their heart of devotion because they’d bowed down to the Lord then they realized whatever happiness feeling now out of devotion is so much greater than the happiness we were feeling out of Brahman, there’s no comparison, immediately they got converted over.

 

Prabhupada gave this good example like if you go to a one restaurant so much has come to my other restaurant this much better, if it's better food you just forget about the old one, we don’t even think about it, this is better food you know who cares about that.

 

So, like that the great yogi’s once they might have got so much happiness in Brahman, once the taste the happiness of Kṛṣṇa consciousness they just forget about it, its insignificant compared to material thing it might be something great but compared to Kṛṣṇa consciousness it becomes again insignificant so that’s why many of the Brahma realized yogis have later become devotees and never go back again.

Thank you very much, this…. try to understand these points, avoid the Māyāvādī understanding don’t get mixed up between cow dung sweet rice and milk sweet rice.

 

Hare Kṛṣṇa.

 

Any questions?

Yes. (Devotee questions, inaudible)

What’s the difference between Mayavadi and Brahmavadi?

(Devotee speaks, inaudible)

 

His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami: Māyāvādī Brahmavādī is almost synonyms. One is worshiping Brahman, why they’re only worshipping Brahman is because basically they got the idea that that is the Supreme, Māyāvādī ‘s have got the same idea now not every Māyāvādī realizes Brahman. Not every Brahmavadi says that… just like in Gītā Lord Kṛṣṇa says

 

manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu

kaścid yatati siddhaye

yatatām api siddhānāṁ

kaścin mām vetti tattvataḥ

that out of millions, out of thousands of people one person is interested in the truth and all those who are interested in the truth, who are interested, they’re like the Gyanis, only one out of thousands actually becomes realized and out of thousands of the realized souls the Siddha’s you’ll only find one who knows me and true *Kṛṣṇa (Not Sure) one whose my devotee only devotee can know Kṛṣṇa.

So Yes, out of so many Mayavadis so many, one of them out of will become maybe out of millions only one might actually realize Brahman. They may take many many births,

 

bahūnāṁ janmanām ante

jñānavān mām prapadyate

 

You see after many many birth they realize Brahman then if they’re fortunate they may also realize Kṛṣṇa but that’s a very roundabout way.

 

Sometimes they may not realize Kṛṣṇa also unless they meet a devotee, there will be so many people doing devotional service but out of them how many are pure devotees?

 

We become a pure devotee then we will realize Kṛṣṇa but if a devotee react to little change of consciousness most people do devotion to get like Santa Claus they go to Kṛṣṇa with their wish list like the children want for Christmas I want this toy, I want that thing, I want this thing and they give the Santa Claus then the mother and father go out to market and buy everything and give it and say Santa Claus has put it, this is institutionalized cheating going on.

 

When I was about 6 years old I wondered why my father would go out every time, might come back from the… to the house and all the *things(inaudible) I would say I want to help my father help Santa Claus, then I realized the secret ( Devotees laughter) took a few years for my younger brother and sister to find out the trick.

 

My father was impersonating Santa Claus. The point is that here we are, we’re going to Kṛṣṇa wanting Him to give us the things so it’s not a pure devotion, it’s a mixed devotion, some bhakti is there and some motive is there, material motive. When we don’t get what we want then we think oh or we get it some other way then we forget about Santa Claus, we pray to God when people got enough money they think I don’t need to worship God anymore, but they don’t…because this is not the real purpose for our worshipping Kṛṣṇa, there’s a much higher purpose which is our eternal relationship with Kṛṣṇa, most people don’t know that, when you actually get  to that level out of thousands and thousands people worshiping God, You get one whose a pure devotee and they are considered the greatest amongst all the liberated souls. So even greater than a karmi is a gyani & amongst a gyani, it’s difficult to find a realized gyani, a mukta & among so many mukhtas, realized people, realized truth, it's hard to find one devotee.