19941024 Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 3.27.11

The following is a class given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami on October 24th 1994 at Murāri Sevaka farm in Mulberry Tennessee the class begins with a reading from the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam  third canto chapter twenty-seven verse eleven.

 

mukta-liṅgaṁ sad-ābhāsam
asati pratipadyate
sato bandhum asac-cakṣuḥ
sarvānusyūtam advayam

(All devotees repeating)

 

Translation: A liberated soul realizes the Absolute Personality of Godhead, who is transcendental and who is manifest as a reflection even in the false ego. He is the support of the material cause and He enters into everything. He is absolute, one without a second, and He is the eyes of the illusory energy. (All devotees repeat)

Purport: A pure devotee can see the presence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in everything materially manifested. He is present there only as a reflection, but a pure devotee can realize that in the darkness of material illusion the only light is the Supreme Lord, who is its support. It is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā that the background of the material manifestation is Lord Kṛṣṇa. And, as confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā, Kṛṣṇa is the cause of all causes. In the Brahma-saṁhitā, it is stated that the Supreme Lord, by His partial or plenary expansion, is present not only within this universe and each and every universe, but in every atom, although He is one without a second. The word advayam, “without a second,” which is used in this verse, indicates that although the Supreme Personality of Godhead is represented in everything, including the atoms, He is not divided. His presence in everything is explained in the next verse.

Thus, end the Bhaktivedanta Swami translation and purport text eleven-chapter twenty-seven canto three of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam in the matter of understanding material nature.

Oṁ tat sat.

Jayapatākā Swami: So, the super soul is all pervasive and He is entering into everything. At the same time, you should see that the Supreme Lord is present in everything also through His energies. All the energies we see are actually the proof of God.

Just like in this room on Malini the sunlight is shining and then the table there is also sunlight coming a little bit coming on mega routine. And also on tulasī-devi in a banana (Devotees laughing)

So how do we know about the Sun. The Sun is situated billions of miles away but we know about the Sun from the energy of the Sun. It was cold in the morning now it’s become warmer because of the Sun. The Sun is giving out so much heat and others day it was dark at night and now it’s light.

So, the Sun is giving out light so heat and light are coming from, who can say?  Heat and the light seen here where it is coming from? The Sun.

In India there are some villagers disturbed middle of the night somebody’s going around with a flashlight with a little lantern in there creating air you know walking our dogs are barking that what are you doing in the night? Walking around in our backyards and everywhere.

The man said I am looking for the Sun (Devotees laughing), like with this lantern and looking for Sun (Devotees laughing), good idea? What he needs, he don’t need look at the Sun with Lantern and the Sun comes and he is going to light up the whole world, you know. Just like people asking where is God? where is God?

So, the Bhāgavatam is saying all the energy we see you know this whole material energy all the various energies that are in his world these are emanations from Kṛṣṇa. There is very transformational His energy therefore just like the sunlight and He disapproves of the Sun for the self-realized soul. Everything they see whether it’s this earth or liquid or fire just see all this energy is coming from Kṛṣṇa. Without their original energy we know anything. It’s a very interesting point how that energy and I am just like the energy is itself a proof of the existence of the Lord.

So, the devotees can feel in connection with the Lord every time to do with seeing everything. It’s all is the energy of the Lord. Of course, of our personally to his Paramātmā form He is also present within every atom. Within every living entity within Dhruva’s heart, Nārāyaṇa’s heart and everybody’s heart see Paramātmā is there.

This is but how do we see that? That requires the spiritual vision. We can see this just like the Sun’s reflection. Then I can see the Sun that I can see the Sun reflecting off of the wall and so so the reflection I know the Sun is there.

So, like that we can also see the presence of super soul to the reflections in the material nature. Just like after Einstein studied the universe and everything came up with his E=MC², this equation and everything but then he came he said that you know. That this whole universe is so orderly everything is so minutely organized that is inconceivable that there is not some intelligence behind it.

Everyone else how much effort it takes to keep the house clean to keep it order. if you don’t do anything it will all merge into a mess someone has to continually be organizing straightening out you see the whole universe everything is working in a very organized manner. It is obvious that there is an intelligence behind that, only a fool can fail to see that.

The atheists try to think that everything is happened by accident by natural selection. But in life there is no example of anything happening by accident so much complex development there is no such an example. 

I'll forget several examples they said you look at the artificial flower. It is very nice but you compare that to the real flower. And you see the real flower so much more depth, aroma, texture. You cannot compare from the distance it looks you find when you get up real close and look this a big distance.

Yet if you were to tell someone that this plastic flower was not made by anyone would this happen accidentally, hey then people will say you are a crazy dog for all of them don’t kid with me so no no this just happened accidentally. The molecule somehow came together and they just appeared like that. They tell him take a hike you know (All laughing) nobody will believe but then you saw a real flower say this happened accidentally, ya of course.

So actually, we see so many nice arrangements. The devotees think hand of Kṛṣṇa behind everything. So, people appreciate that natural beauty now new age and ecologist many keep our time to appreciate the natural beauty.

So Śrīla Prabhupāda stressed it’s more important to appreciate the intelligence that created this natural beauty. If we are very attached to the natural beauty, without any knowledge about the intelligence behind it, that is simply bring us again back into the material world and to conditional life. But if we can appreciate just like the artist who is created this natural beauty.

Just like we go one Museum and we see the beautiful paintings for dollars look we appreciate the artist who created the painting, is genius his artistic ability his humility this is that wonderful thing.

Again, here we have the whole material creation and so many beautiful things, whether the peacocks, the butterflies or the more people are driving to see how the leaves are changing color. Some people are driving for long distances to see the shades of yellow and red and green so on.

So, but with the person that is created this whole scenario that they may not appreciate. If we just add Kṛṣṇa to this all this energy is a reflection and the presence of Kṛṣṇa, in an indirect way, then people can gradually develop some love for Kṛṣṇa.

So, appreciation that we think Oh what a wonderful accident. And how is that in our house you know you can drop the things a million but you know never the less but never just take some mess on the floor never just like suddenly take some kind of tangible form.

So, calculated mathematically just to create one step in the creation of something like that, how many tanks was the odds like want to what is it want to and millions, millions and millions of zeros you know. If we told impractical what to speak of all the sequences that would be required.

So, in this verse it said that the Lord is transcendental but He manifests as a reflection. This material energy is also a reflection of the Lord His personal all the energies even in their false ego.

Normally if you want to support something or something it’s not like the whole earth is supporting everything but the earth is not really a participant what’s going on and the (In Audible: 16.11) this is supporting everything. She is beyond the activities of the kings and presidents and all the different people that are living after, she is just supporting everything.

So here get the situation where Kṛṣṇa because he is are extended himself and all these different energies that he is supporting everything. At the same time simultaneously, he can enter into everything. And if he wants he can also the stand and participate as if he were also a player. This is very he can feel how the Lord can support everything enter into everything at the same time be part at the same time not be part. Either every conceivable and inconceivable option He can do, cannot be limited! isn’t it.

Therefore, He is absolute and one without the second, advayam. The material nature just like this body, this body is not the consciousness of its own. The consciousness is the presence of the ātmā the self, similarly without consciousness our body has got no vision. What I said that the dead body have, twenty-twenty, forty-forty (Devotees laughing) so no vision dead body means brain dead, body dead, vision dead.

So here we have garbage situation here the whole material nature, nature by definition has got no consciousness, then where is the vision where’s the eyes of the material nature there is no consciousness. Then how is the material nature working. This is an inert matter we say, but they are friends of the Lord. He is the eyes of the material nature asat cakṣur.

So that can be taken in two ways, one is because He is in the material nature so He is been given material nature, light directly into the living entities which is also His expansion energy.

The other aspect is that how we can see an inert energy. How did the living soul who is on a higher level is able to see matter on the lower level and so that ability to perceive matter is also given by Kṛṣṇa. So, to perceive to see to experience matter with another faculty of Kṛṣṇa presence.

This is very technical section of Bhāgavatam, understanding the material nature. It is important because being in this material nature it’s very easy for us to think of the material nature as a reality and forget about Kṛṣṇa.

The material nature is very attached to (not clear: 20.46) it’s over easy to overwhelm us with we can remember always the presence of Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Then in this way we can over, you can remain Kṛṣṇa consciousness and by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa His promises that we can crossover the material nature.  mām upetya tu kaunteya (In audible: 21.20) the other one is:

daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī

mama māyā duratyayā

mām eva ye prapadyante

māyām etāṁ taranti te

 

whoever surrenders to me I cross them over this ocean of material nature. Now another point Prabhupāda brings out here is Kṛṣṇa is not divided. Although He is expanded everywhere. It’s not that He is divided.

Although the sunlight is coming here, the sunlight is person in our house in every house in Tennessee in the whole world is so many houses, they have got the sunlight coming in. But that doesn’t mean that because Sun is coming in many houses Sun has become divided up. Something means why but through the energy becomes present in many houses.

So here we saw that Kṛṣṇa is present in his Paramātmā feature everywhere but He is not divided up. If you divide something you’ve got one cookie, I cut it in half how many cookie pieces are here?

Two, very good so you divide you get two and there are two pieces and then i cut each one half how many pieces I get, four. So you go on dividing with each piece starts getting smaller isn’t it. It is soon smells so attractive.

Now Kṛṣṇa although He is expanded into all the different energies. If he is person in all the atoms and all the people of everything in the planets. It’s not that He is divided that each time He is expanding that like is getting smaller and smaller and less and less. He is not reducing in size not reducing in his capacity not dividing extending.

Prabhupāda in Brahma-saṁhitā explains you take one candle light another candle. The first candle is not less, it just ignited another candle like this Kṛṣṇa can go on expanding that his original form. It’s not at all diminished, it is like this sun can be present everyone’s house with Sun still keeps the same full energy no matter how many houses and how many places the Sunlight is falling. This is all very inconceivable truth and these examples are quite proof. They are very in this basic just to give us some kind of rudimentary understanding (Not clear 24.14).

The principle is like that Kṛṣṇa is not divided He is always one. No matter how many times He expands how many places He ended in to Kṛṣṇa still remains fully potent with all the potency and He doesn’t reduce. Not only in this universe but in all universes but not in all the universes is in of every atom.

How many atoms are there?

We can even obtained, in there so many millions abnormal to speak of the entire universe. How many times Kṛṣṇa is, what to speak of unlimited universes in Kṛṣṇa appear, His Paramātmā present in each and everywhere but his potential is not diminished, it is not divided up He always stays the full and is coming back.

Māyāvādīs they consider that is the transformation of energy. That the material energy is an illusion and only the Spirit is truth. And that we are all part of that Supreme spirit before actually we all God. Just take away this illusion and we realize we are God, this is their concept.

So, this verse denies that Lord is not divided Lord is present everywhere at the same time, the Lord is remaining aloof and absolute. When Lord Caitanya was little, the mother gave a plate of sandeśa and he started to eat the dirt the mother said what are you doing?

Why don’t you eat the sandeśa?

Lord Caitanya said it’s all dirt what’s the problem? this is dirt and sandeśa is also dirt, Dirt was there from that grass grow and cow eat the grass, to do some milk and to do some so it's all nothing but transformation of dirt.

So, this is there in (not clear: 27.06) what’s the difference I want to eat this black dirt I don’t want to eat this sandeśa dirt. So then mother Śacī was heartfelt what to say all over although this didn't expect a little tap to start giving the Māyāvādī philosophy.

So at the opportune moment for Lord Caitanya was just reveal some opulence, take everyone by surprise. So She brought some clay cups put water in the clay cups and this is also dirt. But this can fire with clays and cooked there for the fire therefore it’s become hard, but they put water give a little powder they put water it became mud.

So, this form of Earth is not suitable for holding the water, for this form will hold it, you understand? and He said ya ya.

So similarly, if you eat the sandeśa, it’s good for you to get healthy, if you eat the mud you get sick it’s not good for eating, not recommended food. So then Lord Caitanya why don’t you tell me before if you don’t tell these things how will I know (Guru Mahārāja and devotees laughing)

So, I am hungry give me your milk and he started acting like a baby again and mother Śacī became overwhelmed with affection. Like this a few days ago we are reading how in tenth canto Bhāgavatam, how the cowered boys went to mother Yashoda to show that complain that Kṛṣṇa is eating dirt right. Same type in a different movie He was little bigger, the mother Śacī calls the mother Yashoda called Kṛṣṇa said what is this you are eating dirt?

Haribol your brother Balarāma says, “All the other boys are saying you’re eating dirt”.

It is not good. His mother saw that very concerned with Kṛṣṇa’s health. he is dirty you can see He saying no mother they are all lying I am not eating any dirt but your brother He also said why will He lie. He took their side they all lying and He took their side all against me they are all against me. But I am not eating any dirt if you don’t believe you look at my mouth and you see.

Then mother Yaṣoda came open your mouth let me see. All of these are playing just like cowered boys but this time like a little child then all of a sudden, She already open His mouth or mother when she saw looked in the mouth and said of seeing of teeth and tongue, all the other things you’re gone see in a mouth of a child, whether there is any dirt or not in that instead, she starts seeing all the universes start seeing the Viśvarūpa like eternal all those type, she getting she sees the entire spiritual world, material world the Mahā Viṣṇu, pradhāna the mahat-tattva the twenty four elements that she start seeing incomes all like reality. They are starting to become realized by heart seeing other universes and seeing within all the material creation there this Universe in this planet even this planet there is Vṛndāvana and there she is looking in Kṛṣṇa’s mouth and it’s overwhelming she is wondering what is it?

What is it? What is it?

That am I dreaming or hallucinating or something to do with my Son... looking in his mouth. She didn’t know what to make of what, she was seeing okay. Close Your mouth (Devotees laughing) The mother doesn’t want to see (Devotees laughing).

So, although Kṛṣṇa He can enter also into this creation as one of the apparently one of the participants, He does very bewildering. People can’t understand and you look in the dictionary they can’t figure out who Kṛṣṇa is. Especially in the West, just from the physics definition, if avatāra is there? So many speculations. See nobody understands Kṛṣṇa’s actual position who Kṛṣṇa is?

Kṛṣṇa is God is only one God, there maybe they call Him Allah, Jehova, Kṛṣṇa there is only one God. But that one God came to this earth and he is known as Kṛṣṇa and He showed some of his unlimited opulences. How He can simultaneously be that Supreme Lord the Supreme power fold the absolute and at the same time He can have very many loving exchanges with His devotees. Sometimes the two will overlap like in this case suddenly (not clear: 32.56)

Yaṣoda saw that her son was having with divine aspects but then Kṛṣṇa made her simply become overwhelmed with motherly affection. She started to kiss Kṛṣṇa straight, hugging, see it so much natural love for Kṛṣṇa.

The Māyāvādīs they are saying everything is the work. At one time there was someone was making a feast for one Māyāvādī and then he came out and he gave special cow dung sweet rice and Māyāvādī. What is that sweet rice? and why is it brown and what is that?

He said, “It’s a cow dung, cow dung oh! oh but I never had that sweet rice before with cow dung. Usually they are using milk, said whatever milk you saw or cow dung coming from cow so what's the difference?

It’s all one, isn’t it? *laughter*

It’s a whole one why you are differentiating? It’s all one who ever make yesterday making with milk and now made with cow dung have not cow dung. But I would prefer with the milk *laughter*

So, this is the problem the Māyāvādī they may say cow dung or milk. But in the reality it’s different reflections on the energy are having different qualities different types of energy. So it’s not that everything is one there so much variegatedness. It's different with differences in the material energy and difference in the spiritual energy. Kṛṣṇa is one with His energy’s at the same time He is different. Just like the Sun his warm and different with energies Kṛṣṇa is producing all the energies but that doesn’t t mean that is simply the sum total of all energy. You can put all the sunlight together and all the heat together but still Sun is got something more than that. This Sun works and there’s sunspots and look even with the form of even inside the Sun there is supposed to be so many higher living entities in an another dimension of Surya loka.

So, it’s not I just received either the sunlight or you can equal the Sun there are products energies of the Sun some of these different energies are one with Kṛṣṇa.

Kṛṣṇa they are coming from Kṛṣṇa they are not different they are not disconnected with the same time. Kṛṣṇa has got something on their mouth also something more than we have. He is also independent He is supporting everything.

So, this is the Kṛṣṇa’s greatness. He can support at the same time, He can enjoy. Sun light is Sun is supporting the Sun light. And the Sun cannot enter into house directly with that’s the difference Kṛṣṇa can support and He also can enter.

When He entered them, He is very expert just like sometimes, in the olden times the Kings they were called incognito amongst the people. With example there, see how does the King know something? That is God know things by direct smelling so saying that vegetarians have different smell. The non-vegetarian, so the deer they can know that people here smell different, so they are here may like to be around here more than whether people are going to shoot us.

So, certain an animal by smelling they can notice. Then some people we know were smelling some they know by seeing. How does the Government know?

Now there are so many intel about CIA is coming up in America. We had some big CIA spy taking millions of dollars from Russia and telling all the secrets.

So, government they rely on their intelligence, there is spy and their agents and there they gather so much information. And then on the basis of the newspaper alone was the hard way they do that too. What they want to know from their own source what’s really going on somewhere.

The president has been and check it out himself he had to send along you have to have his agents and spies and informers or whatever. So, the King they know things by kings of government and they will know by their intelligence.

Sometimes the king was also just to check up whether he is getting that right information. He dressed himself in the ordinary dress and here he just goes and walk around the street. Sit in some public place in disguise and then hear what people behave and what people are talking. And that way he can see what was the real mood in that way, direct.

I don’t I know I think they can I don’t think the president I States could do that I know it’s cool but another but anyway they are funny. People telling him.

Even Kṛṣṇa He used to do that also, when He was playing the role of the king, He was disguised himself and go on the crowd and check everything is alright. It is mentioned in Bhāgavatam He would do that also. But Kṛṣṇa is the King of Kings He is the Lord of Lords He also comes out in the material world and He plays the part for the common people. They didn’t think Kṛṣṇa was God then they were thought He was a very wonderful person really great some people know He was actually God.

So, He didn’t want to disturb the faith of the foolish people source so when He left He was shot in the foot by hunters some people think Lord Kṛṣṇa was shot. But the Bhāgavatam explains that He went till the center of the sky and He was received by all of his heavenly hosts and He just went back to the spiritual world. He was and He died in India that was this purpose they interpret people they think oh Kṛṣṇa was shot!

Yesterday we read in one book and the books to opened up they said well the era of the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement in worshiping Kṛṣṇa. And that he was shot in the foot and died with Jesus He was also resurrected so therefore Jesus is greater than Kṛṣṇa.

So, they don’t know what Kṛṣṇa’s actual position is, in fact some because of family Kṛṣṇa and Rāma and Rāmāyaṇa. They say that hunter which actually was Vali who came back and He had since Kṛṣṇa had killed Vali so that Vali had the chance to come and shoot Kṛṣṇa. So  that’s the way Kṛṣṇa has chosen to leave the world.

But actually, He was Kṛṣṇa never died and He was that (In audible 41.49) He can never die but for the foolish people they can think like that. So, people they don’t really know what is who Kṛṣṇa is. They said they got learned it from the books you find in the library unless they read Prabhupāda books in the library.

The general books you see, are very distorted they are going to get only from the book distributors and devotees to their contact in their preaching, an understand what is our basic concept of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

In this book they gave her I just make the harder but then they saying how they believe in one God and if they have very much like Christian. They are very they are into devotion and service and everything but don’t think that it is compatible with Christianity because then they get some speculation.

So, this is the illusion of Kali to keep everyone ignorant. They don't actually see the reality so what it is. What is inconceivable if you say God is omnipotent, He can do anything then if He wants to come into the material world what is stopping.

So but how He comes in material world, how He is not affected by, how He is not divided is not, not that Kṛṣṇa comes and He becomes a man. He comes and might appear like man, but He Kṛṣṇa never compromises himself. He is always unlimited, no man to do the things that Kṛṣṇa can did. Whether this thing that mountain at seven days is raised are dancing with millions of gopis at the same time in millions of different forms of marrying sixteen thousand queens. And simultaneously being in each palace with each queen, every night these are not legends or anything. This actually because Kṛṣṇa is God therefore He can do all this. Whether they believe in what we believe or not for this missionary represent it to (Not clear: 44.46) to what our beliefs are.

Your point (In audible:44.49) is making that in America all that rhinology teachers the majority of them are all Christians so they totally misrepresent what is Hinduism, what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what is Indian culture. He wants to create some institution which can produce devotees which can take up these positions in the they wish them all good fortune.

But definitely people before had totally distorted idea also preaching book distribution for more sophisticated manners that was seeing it’s the longings program and all university but gradually we had to get people a true picture.

So, studying Bhāgavatam you can understand how Kṛṣṇa can do all these things and yet He remains absolute He remains one and one without a second.

So, we all have to learn these things that we have to learn from devotees not from outside. We don’t have any obligation to listen to outside people talk about Kṛṣṇa whether we should (Not clear: 46.27) it we can only listen from the Guru paramparā

Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare

Hare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare

Any question?

Devotee: Question [Not clear 47:00]

To my knowledge, I can’t think of any Hindu seminary or something like that in the eastern in India. They don’t have that system because they have a system of learning from the Guru.

Not like to go to some college and get a doctor of dignity as a degree and then you study as an apprentice under the Guru. As the disciple you learn everything from the Guru and that was your doctor of divinity, your Masters of Divinity your bachelor whatever. And that’s through the system that has been practiced by the Orthodox sampradāya. They are do have that elementary and second all like Gurukul or you learn the basics for writing and reading and logic. And other necessary groundwork for communication, expression so on. In the regular university they do have courses on Sanskrit and Indian philosophy what else.

Western are very much westernized universities and the information they are giving is not very favorable. That’s why most of the educated Indians they have a shallow appreciation for their own culture.

The education hasn’t reinforced that whatever appreciation they have just seen on the much more. May be what they got from the mother and grandmother and from the whole social environment but what information they get from the schools contradicting them. They can’t divide it; okay this is our culture and we follow this whether it makes sense or not this way.

If you are Indian this is Indian culture so that’s been after some of the older people. Like from the young people we have got identify so strongly with India they have been born and brought up in America, TV and everything and everything and they have identity crises. They need they need to know why I have to go that’s why a lot of Indians are looking to the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. Now because we are people that have understood you know being many of us are Westerners and we have gone through this.

Of course, we are worldwide movement with Indians and Americans and all kinds of people follow. In America and in Europe they are looking to some extent not totally but they are favorable to having us help them and turning their children in Vedic in their own belief again. They don’t have that type of knowledge they have that cultural faith in they identify the parents to some extent. But their educational system there is no kind of comprehensive training and Vedic taught.

So, whatever they picked up from the family and then since it’s our organized religion like that.

So, Lord Caitanya His system is quite organized he wanted that people should study children should be taught there should be an organized system of studying the conclusions of the Vedas. Regular classes should be held in Bhagavad-Gītā and Śrīmad Bhāgavatam,  this is lacking and modern Hindu life. There is opportunity for us to be an immense service to the Hindu community.

Haribol

Nitāi Gaura candra ki

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