19860930 Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 4.22.8 (Cc Antya 11.12-25)

 

His Holiness Jayapataka Swami: (Recites the verse; reads the translation and purport)

First we’ll read one verse from the Bhagavatam, then we’ll read Chaitanya Caritamrita.

 SB 4.22.8 kiṁ tasya durlabhataram iha loke paratra ca yasya viprāḥ prasīdanti śivo viṣṇuś ca sānugaḥ

Translation by His Divine Grace, Srila Abhaycaran Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada! :  Any person upon whom the brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas are pleased can achieve anything which is very rare to obtain in this world as well as after death. Not only that, but one also receives the favor of the auspicious Lord Śiva and Lord Viṣṇu, who accompany the brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas.

 Purport: The brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas are the bearers of Lord Viṣṇu, the all-auspicious. As confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā (5.38): premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi The devotees, out of their extreme love for Govinda, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, always carry the Lord within their hearts. The Lord is already in the heart of everyone, but the Vaiṣṇavas and the brāhmaṇas actually perceive and see Him always in ecstasy. Therefore brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas are carriers of Viṣṇu. Wherever they go, Lord Viṣṇu, Lord Śiva or the devotees of Lord Viṣṇu are all carried. The four Kumāras are brāhmaṇas, and they visited the place of Mahārāja Pṛthu. Naturally Lord Viṣṇu and His devotees were also present. Under the circumstances, the conclusion is that when the brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas are pleased with a person, Lord Viṣṇu is also pleased. This is confirmed by Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura in his eight stanzas on the spiritual master:yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ. By pleasing the spiritual master, who is both brāhmaṇa and Vaiṣṇava, one pleases the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If the Supreme Personality of Godhead is pleased, then one has nothing more to achieve either in this world or after death.

Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport to Text 8, Chapter 22, Canto 4.

Maharaja (comments): One is able to please the spiritual master who is both Brahmana and Vaishnava and one pleases the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One pleases the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then after that, what is the next thing that he has to achieve? Who can say? So, one can achieve anything which is very rare to obtain in this world as well as after death, if one achieves the, if one pleases the Brahmanas and Vaishnavas. Not only that, by pleasing the brahmanas and Vaishnavas, the Lord is pleased.

CC Antya 11.12 dine nṛtya-kīrtana, īśvara-daraśana rātrye rāya-svarūpa-sane rasa-āsvādana

Translation: In the daytime Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu engaged in dancing and chanting and in seeing the temple of Lord Jagannātha. At night, in the company of His most confidential devotees, such as Rāmānanda Rāya and Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī, He tasted the nectar of the transcendental mellows of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes.

CC Antya 11.13 ei-mata mahāprabhura sukhe kāla yāya kṛṣṇera viraha-vikāra aṅge nānā haya

Translation: Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu very happily passed His days in this way at Nīlācala, Jagannātha Purī. Feeling separation from Kṛṣṇa, He exhibited many transcendental symptoms all over His body.

CC Antya 11.14 dine dine bāḍe vikāra, rātrye atiśaya cintā, udvega, pralāpādi yata śāstre kaya

Translation: Day after day the symptoms increased, and at night they increased even more. All these symptoms, such as transcendental anxiety, agitation and talking like a madman, were present, just as they are described in the śāstras.

CC Antya 11.15 svarūpa gosāñi, āra rāmānanda-rāya rātri-dine kare doṅhe prabhura sahāya

Translation: Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī and Rāmānanda Rāya, the chief assistants in Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s pastimes, remained with Him both day and night.

 CC Antya 11.16 eka-dina govinda mahā-prasāda lañā haridāse dite gelā ānandita hañā

Translation: One day Govinda, the personal servant of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, went in great jubilation to deliver the remnants of Lord Jagannātha’s food to Haridāsa Ṭhākura.

CC Antya 11.17 dekhe, — haridāsa ṭhākura kariyāche śayana manda manda kariteche saṅkhyā-saṅkīrtana

TRANSLATION: When Govinda came to Haridāsa, he saw that Haridāsa Ṭhākura was lying on his back and chanting his rounds very slowly.

CC Antya 11.18 govinda kahe, — ‘uṭha āsi’ karaha bhojana’ haridāsa kahe, — āji karimu laṅghana

Translation: “Please rise and take your mahā-prasādam,” Govinda said. Purport: Haridāsa Ṭhākura replied, “Today I shall observe fasting.”

 CC Antya 11.19 saṅkhyā-kīrtana pūre nāhi, ke-mate khāiba? mahā-prasāda Translation: “I have not finished chanting my regular number of rounds. How, then, can I eat? But you have brought mahā-prasādam, and how can I neglect it?”

CC Antya 11.20 eta bali’ mahā-prasāda karilā vandana eka rañca lañā tāra karilā bhakṣaṇa

 Translation: Saying this, he offered prayers to the mahā-prasādam, took a little portion, and ate it.

Purport: Mahā-prasādam is nondifferent from Kṛṣṇa. Therefore, instead of eating mahā-prasādam, one should honor it. It is said here, karilā vandana, “he offered prayers.” When taking mahā-prasādam, one should not consider the food ordinary preparations. Prasāda means favor. One should consider mahā-prasādam a favor of Kṛṣṇa. As stated by Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, kṛṣṇa baḍa dayāmaya karibāre jihvā jaya svaprasāda-anna dilā bhāi. Kṛṣṇa is very kind. In this material world we are all very much attached to tasting various types of food. Therefore, Kṛṣṇa eats many nice varieties of food and offers the food back to the devotees, so that not only are one’s demands for various tastes satisfied, but by eating prasādam one makes advancement in spiritual life. Therefore, we should never consider ordinary food on an equal level with mahā-prasādam.

Maharaja (comments):That’s why, when one takes maha-prasad on the plate, they’re supposed to finish all of the Prasad, not leave any. One has to be very careful not to take more than one can eat. Exception is the guru, he is supposed to leave something of each preparation for the disciples. Prabhupad, he was very careful. Even if something was burnt, generally he wouldn’t mention it till later, after the Prasad was gone, and he’d call the cook in say, “Why that, why that preparation was burned? You should be more conscious.”

 System is that in the presence of prasadam we don’t offer criticism. We can take it that this is Krishna’s mercy. It’s not different from Krishna. So when in front of the deities we don’t discuss other topics. Nor do we give critical observations in front of the deity, we simply chant the holy name. These are all important aspects of Vaishnava etiquette. Actually Bhaktivinoda Thakur and the acaryas, they have written various songs for us to sing while we take Prasadam. At the beginning of the meal we say, “Sarira abidhya jal jotendriyaya tahe kal, jivay phale vishaya sagare taramadye jivayati, lobhamaya sudurmati, takejeta Katina samsara, Krishna bare doya moy kore baro jiva joy, sva prasada anna adilo bay, sei annamrita pao radha Krishna guna gao, premedako sri Chaitanya nitai” But Also, throughout the entire meal there are various prayers that have been written, but we are not always chanting those. There’s a prayer to, when you eat the vegetables. There’s a prayer to chant. Ek Dina san tipure prabhu advaita ghore Sag.The rest I forget. But there’s a prayer for that time that you’re supposed to say. So then someone could be there just remind to us. We all say it in the beginning. Just at the time when the devotees are taking the vegetable - eka dina santipure prabhu advaita ghore - And you read out the prayer. Then there’s another prayer  when you get to the sweet preparations. There’s three, four prayers like that. So that throughout the meal  you will never forget that this is Krishna Prasadam. You are always thinking of Krishna. If you think that it is ordinary food, it’s an offense.

 So while, sometimes we are invited to big  feasts where all Vaisnavas attend. We are also there. Even though not worthy of being called a Vaishnava, then at that time we found that while taking prasadam, in between the prayers, the few minutes in between the prayers, because prayers are coming, it only takes 10 minutes to eat this. One prayer every three to four  minutes, fifteen minutes take parasadam, honour prasadam. Then at that time, sometimes someone  yell out, “Sadhu Sabdan!!! Sadhu Sabdan!!! Hari Hari Bol! Hari Bol!” (Devotees all also chant Haribol!!, Haribol!!) Be careful, O devotees, be careful. In other words, don’t forget this is Prasad you’re honouring. Don’t think it’s ordinary food. Chant the name of Hari. Hari Bol Haribol. (Devotees all also chant Haribol!!, Haribol!!) Prabhupad also told me that one of our practises of devotion is to take prasadam together, to sit down and take Prasad together. This is where we associate. We don’t have to associate, it may not be possible to associate every time with all of devotees,but one of the times we gather together is to take prasadam. It is also important.  Even Krishna, we find in his Kirtan, [Singing:] Bhaja Bakata Vatsala Sri Gaura Hari Sri Gaura Hari Sahi gostha bihari - In one of the songs there is that He is sitting, sari sari bhose, He’s sitting in a line with His friends and they’re all taking Prasad. Even we find in panihati, Lord Nityananda, He took Prasad along with all of His associates and put a place there for Lord Chaitanya. This is the system is to take prasadam in the association of all the devotees. The American way of fast food, Drive in!, Get in the car! Deliver to the car! Eat! Run! Move! Walk! Standing! Even you can get place where you can take food standing there, just standing, no time to sit.

Next thing they’ll have is you can eat while running on one those machines, doing workout and eating at the same time. But this is not the actual system for honouring Prasad. Actually one takes sitting down. Until one’s finished one normally e doesn’t get up, unless there’s some urgency. It’s a detail but the most important thing is to honor the Prasad and not forget that it’s Krishna. And it’s good  if one has the opportunity, if the devotees are there that they take Prasad together. And serving Prasad is not the job of the Bhaktas. It’s the job of the more advanced devotees. Actually the brahmanas normally do the service of prasadam. Some Manipur devotees come and give a feast to the GBCs or Prabhupada’s disciples, then the brahmanas are the  one who give out the prasad, the more senior devotees. We find here in Mayapur this is the system.

In India where you have different varnashram, if  brahmanas serve everyone will take. If the non brahmana serves, then brahmanas they won’t take. But  also brahmanas shouldn’t take prasadam from the hands of, of course you can take prasad  from anyone’s hand, but technically shouldn’t take foodstuff from uninitiated people. Sometimes you see in the,  some guests is given, walks in out of the street, you don’t know if he is clean, if he washed his hands, he is given the pots to serve out prasad. One sense it is nice he is being engaged in Krishna’s service. But then would that be the proper honour to prasadam. He might give out the plates or give out something, or clean the floor, do some type of service. But actually the prasadam it is nice if given out by devotees as far as possible. If it is not possible then… So as we don’t consider Krishna, anything equal or greater than Krishna. We don’t consider ordinary food to be equal or greater than mahaprasad. Even if someone brings in nice, wonderfully prepared food made in some (inaudible) pastry, everything but we won’t consider that equal  to mahaprasad.  Any kind of mahaprasadam is considered to be unlimitedly valuable and important. So the devotees, they are not eager to go out and eat sumptuous food from some rich man’s house, but they are very happy if they can get some mahaprasad of the deity from the temple.

CC Antya 11.21 āra dina mahāprabhu tāṅra ṭhāñi āilā sustha hao, haridāsa — bali’ tāṅre puchilā

 Translation: The next day, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu went to Haridāsa’s place and inquired from him, “Haridāsa, are you well?”

CC Antya 11.22 namaskāra kari’ teṅho kailā nivedana śarīra sustha haya mora, asustha buddhi-mana

Translation: Haridāsa offered his obeisances to the Lord and replied, “My body is all right, but my mind and intelligence are not well.”

CC Antya 11.23 prabhu kahe, — ‘kon vyādhi, kaha ta’ nirṇaya?’ teṅho kahe, — ‘saṅkhyā-kīrtana nā pūraya’

Translation: Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu further inquired from Haridāsa, “Can you ascertain what your disease is?” Haridāsa Ṭhākura replied, “My disease is that I cannot complete my rounds.”

Purport: If one cannot complete the fixed number of rounds he is assigned, he should be considered to be in a diseased condition of spiritual life. Śrīla Haridāsa Ṭhākura is called nāmācārya. Of course, we cannot imitate Haridāsa Ṭhākura, but everyone must chant a prescribed number of rounds. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we have fixed sixteen rounds as the minimum so that the Westerners will not feel burdened. These sixteen rounds must be chanted, and chanted loudly, so that one can hear himself and others.

Maharaja (comments): At times people say, “Can we chant the holy name mentally?” Of course, there is chanting mentally. Haridas Thakur would chant 100,000 names loudly, 100,000 names softly and 100,000 names mentally. So after you finished your 64 rounds loudly and 64 rounds softly, then after that you can chant, remaining rounds you do you can chant mentally. We also allow, but since you are doing only 16 rounds, those you have to do loud. (laughter)

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: Loudly means you can hear it.

Devotee: No, before mangala arati?

Maharaja: That question again.

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: What happened?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: That way Lord Caitanya’s name is thousand times more powerful than Krishna’s name. So then if you chant twenty five times the name of Lord Caitanya, then I’ve chanted  sixteen rounds. (laughter) All these things are… You see, one cannot speculate like that. That this time of day that name is more powerful then I chant less. You promise the spiritual master that you will that many rounds. If we chant more powerful rounds it makes it easier to chant the remainder. Whatever number of rounds that person is assigned, he should finish that. Prabhupada promised us that if someone chant sixteen rounds, takes initiation, follows the system, then they will achieve perfection. Because some people are not even able to chant sixteen rounds, so to encourage them we say, “ Alright, you fix the number of rounds whatever you can chant and chant that. Then gradually you increase it up to sixteen.” Once someone is doing sixteen though, they shouldn’t reduce. They should vow and chant the same number of rounds everyday.

CC Antya 11.24 prabhu kahe, — “vṛddha ha-ilā ‘saṅkhyā’ alpa kara siddha-deha tumi, sādhane āgraha kene kara?

TRANSLATION: “Now that you have become old,” the Lord said, “you may reduce the number of rounds you chant daily. You are already liberated, and therefore you need not follow the regulative principles very strictly.

PURPORT: Unless one has come to the platform of spontaneous love of God, he must follow the regulative principles. Ṭhākura Haridāsa was the living example of how to follow the regulative principles. Similarly, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī was also such a living example. In the Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka it is stated, saṅkhyā-pūrvaka-nāma-gāna-natibhiḥ kālāvasānī-kṛtau. The Gosvāmīs, especially Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, strictly followed all the regulative principles. The first regulative principle is that one must chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra loudly enough so that he can hear himself, and one must vow to chant a fixed number of rounds. Not only was Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī chanting a fixed number of rounds, but he had also taken a vow to bow down many times and offer obeisances to the Lord.

Maharaja (comments): In other words, how many thousand times he would offer obeisances everyday that he would take… Someone wants to do (indistinct)  they just take a vow of bowing down 108 times or 1008 times to the deity and automatically they will get advantage of bowing down to the Lord and simultaneously they will get exercise. Dancing in kirtan should be the first exercise. Then after that other things can follow if needed.

So all these great devotees, of course they were on the spontaneous platform of love of godhead, but they followed very strictly the regulative principles far more than others. But generally they all showed avery exemplary standard of following regulative principles. (indistinct) when they reach advance stage, they were doing some other specific service which was considered to be important. Lord Caitanya, He would sometimes advice devotees, just like Haridas thakura, he was  told, “You just chant.You chant and describe the glories of the name.” He wasn’t cooking. He wasn’t doing Deity worship. He wasn’t doing other services. He was chanting. That was his service. There’s another devotee called Bhagavat Acarya. His service was to read Srimad Bhagavatam, practically twenty four hours  a day. That’s all he was, apart from taking a little rest, other time he will simply sit and read the Bhagavatam. Lord Caitanya gave him the Bhagavatam and said, “You sit here and you read the Bhagavatam.”

Some devotees might be given some service to do. So by doing that service, that includes everything else because it is the order of Guru, you see. Prabhupada would also give services like that. Sometimes, here in Mayapur he wanted us to build the buildings. He didn’t want us to do anything else that time. Chant our japa and build the buildings. Then I asked once if we can read some books. He said, “You think that reading my books and building my buildings are different? You think one is material?” So Prabhupada, he would sometimes engage a particular devotee in specific services like that.  But of course other devotees they might not understand it. Don’t know how this is going to be done in the future.  Whether the GBCs give some devotees specific services or whether they will authorise on the  advice of the gurus of future disciples. What is the system they are going to follow I don’t know. But this is the system someone might be given specific service to do and that service is considered the practice of regulative principles. Right now, at the present time everyone follows the general theme of regulative principles and does their service. Sometimes there would be exceptional cases in the history of this movement, where a person might be given a specific service and was to concentrate totally on that service as their regulative principles.

CC Antya 11.25 loka nistārite ei tomāra ‘avatāra’ nāmera mahimā loke karilā pracāra

Translation: “Your role in this incarnation is to deliver the people in general. You have sufficiently preached the glories of the holy name in this world.”

Purport: Haridāsa Ṭhākura is known as nāmācārya because it is he who preached the glories of chanting hari-nāma, the holy name of God. By using the words tomāra avatāra (“your incarnation”), Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu confirms that Haridāsa Ṭhākura is the incarnation of Lord Brahmā. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura says that advanced devotees help the Supreme Personality of Godhead in His mission and that such devotees or personal associates incarnate by the will of the Supreme Lord. The Supreme Lord incarnates by His own will, and, by His will, competent devotees also incarnate to help Him in His mission. Haridāsa Ṭhākura is thus the incarnation of Lord Brahmā, and other devotees are likewise incarnations who help in the prosecution of the Lord’s mission.

Maharaja (comments): See, Lord Brahma when he had offended Krishna by stealing His calves and cows, cowherd boys in Vrndavan and then after he came back, and Krsna revealed unlimited Narayana forms and how every calf and cow was non different, (indistinct) boys are all taken. So when he came back and Brahma saw that after one year gone, he saw that here Krsna is with all the cowherd boys and calves.

He said “ I just stole them. How He still has them all present?  Maybe He has taken them from the cave. “

He thought back by meditation and (indistinct) No, they are in the cave there still hidden.That he played joke on Krsna  (indistinct).  Then he looked. “No but they are still here. Exactly the same. He compared the two. They are the same.

He said, “Maybe by Krsna’s mystic power  when I am looking here, He takes them from the cave and when I look there, He put them back. Maybe these are duplicate. Or maybe… His brain couldn’t  figure it out. How the same boys are simultaneously present in two  places. Whether it was illusion  or true… At that time each of those boys who are actually non different, Krsna’s own expansion, they start manifesting Brahmas, Shivas and Vishnus and everything coming out, unlimited Lakshmi and so on. So then Lord Brahma, he became very astonished and paid his obeisances. So Lord Krsna forgave him. But after that he was feeling really bad.

“I am such a rascal. I steal from my own master because of my false pride.” So he went to Navadvipa Dhama and there he did worship of Krsna as Gauranga form or Lord Caitanya form. Wherever Lord Brahma sits, it is called the centre of the lotus. The centre of  lotus is called  Antar. So the place Navadvipa dhama where Lord Brahma sat is called Antardvipa. (indistinct) Those are the servants of Antardvipa in this world, you see. So Lord Brahma was sitting there in Antardvipa doing his worship and finally Lord Caitanya appeared to him. He became so jubilant. He was jumping up and  Haribol! Haaribol! He was paying his obeisances. He was jumping up and paying, he didn’t know what to do. He was so excited to see the beautiful form of Caitanya Maharaprabhu. His lotus eyes, His lotus feet, His broad chest. So then at that time he prayed to the Lord.

Lord said, “ What is it you want?”

He prayed that “My Lord,  I want to be Your devotee. But  I am so proud of being a Lord Brahma that I committed offenses to You. I get infatuated by this mode of passion and controlling position. Half of my life is already gone. Other half is remaining. So still I am not purely Krsna conscious, so I need Your mercy. That I can become and remain completely pure in Krsna consciousness and  in Your devotion that I may not fall down again into illusion.” So then  Lord Caitanya said, “Tatashta - So be it.” 

But other question, one thing Brahma ask for, “ Also I know You are coming in the Kali yuga in this beautiful form and You are giving out freely mercy love for Godhead to everyone, so I would like to come to participate in Your pastimes as Your servant.”

So Lord Caitanya said, “ Yes, let it be. You are going to come before Me. You are going to take birth in Yavana family - in a family of meat eater. Because of this you will be forced to be humble by being born in this type of lower caste in terms of Vedic culture. Every day you will chant three hundred thousand times the holy name of the Lord. And this chanting is so powerful that by this chanting here in this world with Me for that period, you will become completely purified. You won’t have the danger of falling down for the remainder of your life. “  Then He said that “You will also be known as Haridasa and you will be one of My associates at that time.” And He disappeared. So Lord Brahma… So He told Lord Brahma, “Now You go back to your place and you come at appropriate time.” So he went back to Satyaloka for five hundred, five thousand moments. Because here one year is … Just like, five thousand moments means, went there for maybe, not even one of his day, may be a few hours or few minutes. Went back, get everything organised, came back.

Yes?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: (indistinct) should someone artificially think they are very advanced?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: So the point is that that we need the body practically or  until we, as long  we have material body, material thoughts can enter the mind, material desires can pass through the mind. Like Prabhupada said, somebody can said to Prabhupada, “I have no lust. Prabhupada said, “What is wrong with you? (laughter)You got some physical defect or something? (laughter) He said , “Even I have lust, but I am too busy to think about it.”

The point is that pure devotion means that one stay so busy in Krishna’s service. He works so hard during the day. When he come home at night, he just want to just hit the sack. No energy for anything else. Stays so busy just like  when that Mayadevi came to, in the form of a prostitute came to Haridasa Thakura.

 She said,” I need to be satisfied.”

Said, “Yes, you just wait I have to finish my rounds.” (laughter)

So he is so busy chanting that time just went up. So Maya comes knocking, “Is that any service I can do?”

“You just wait I have to finish my service.”

The service just never finishes, so Maya is just waiting. Eventually Maya become so bored waiting that she goes away. But until that time Maya is there. She is always ready like a shadow. But we are not looking to Maya, we are looking to Krishna. Krishna is like the sun. If we look to the sun, you don’t see the shadow. Look away from Krishna  then you see the shadow. So the point is that one may have different desires but then one should try to  satisfy those desires in a regulated manner, according to the regulative principles. In this way by dovetailing those desires, so Krishna said if the person has sex desire then they should get married. And as a product of their sex they a have a Krsna conscious child and then their service to Krsna try to make the child a devotee. They are so many souls in the world being born varna sankara kind of relationships. So some souls get opportunity to  be born from a Krishna conscious parent. Then there is a good chance they can get liberation this lifetime. When we do the anna prasna, we see what is the tendency of the child from the previous life. They pick money, book or something. That shows what was their previous tendency. That doesn’t mean that in the future they cannot still be pure devotee. Simply shows  that what was their previous tendency when they were just young like that, only six months old.  Because  their previous life impression is somewhat there. We give the proper environment so that the children can be God conscious. You see, if everybody has idea that I won’t have any children because it is too much trouble. I will be attached to the child. Be in Maya. Instead I will just hold as long as I can, not have any sex until I get really agitated. Then I will just fall down and I just hide it from everyone and continue to go on. This is total bogus., artificial. The point is that either a person is able to remain occupied in devotional service, even the material desires comes in the mind, that “You can please wait. I have no time now.” And goes waiting until it goes away. Or  if the desire is so strong, the thought is so forceful that it is going to drag us away, then one is supposed to try to become more responsible and be a Krsna conscious grhasta and then have a child. Even though you may say it is attachment but you dovetail that attachment by  learning what it is to be responsible. Then you will learn first hand. Because by having that desire you are going to have to take birth again. There is no doubt about it. So see first hand what is birth. Whether we are going to get married or not, whether we are going to have a child or not, we are going to experience birth, we are going to experience childhood as long as we have this tendency to have illicit sex.

So better to have Vedically authorised sex and then  experience child birth through someone else, in another words our child. We can see the child born. We can give a chance for that child to go back. By that austerity one learns to become very responsible. Actually the grhasta life is more responsible, more, material responsibilities are there. But those material responsibilities are dovetailed in a Krsna conscious way. So in this way one can be peaceful. If one is being disturbed and agitated and they are not peaceful because of their too much sex life, desire for sex life, then they can be peaceful in this way. There is no peace in the material world anyway. But to whatever extend one can be peaceful, if one will be peaceful by having sex, then that can be had in this regulated way. Ultimately there is no limit. No matter how much you eat, you want to eat more. Just simply that we get filled up we can’t eat. Otherwise, the Romans were taking the vomitorium method just going on eating and eating.

So like that every senses demanding more and more. That way if we try to unlimitedly just provide our senses whatever they want we just waste ourselves and  we don’t ultimately achieve any satisfaction anyway. The senses are never satisfied. But like eating prasadam at a particular (indistinct) into control the senses by taking Krishna prasad. Similarly by having regulated sex life on a Krishna conscious way that helps to, gives us the opportunity to bring  things under certain control, under certain routine. We can tell the mind - if we  say no, never, the mind revolts - no, yes. You say, “No, next month. This time.” Whatever. So that helps to control. Just like we follow Ekadasi. We know that next day we take grain so, “Alright, this day I am fasting.” If someone says you have to fast to death then we get frightened, right? But if it is just one day, “Alright.” Even people are doing this fast for their health. One week fast, they are going on.

So similarly these systems are there that we follow regulative things with our sensual activities to purify them. We engage them in Krishna’s service. And the composite nature of this is that we can fix our mind gradually more and more to Krishna. Whether or not we go back in this life or the next life, we should try to whatever extent we can. To do as much service as possible. Krishna has given us different ways to serve Him, you see. Whether renounced order, whether married order, whether in the temple or whether in a grhasta ashram. One should take advantage of whatever alternative Krsna has given and do that which is more suitable under the  guidance of Guru for a particular person. Even Ajamila, he was so sinful, but last breath he said Krsna’s name he got delivered. So there’s never loss of hope. We can always, of course we shouldn’t think that  Ajamila chanted one time so let me do sin my whole life, let me do anything I want, then at the end I will chant Krsna. That won’t be very effective. That won’t be recommended. But we should try and even if we are not cent percent perfect, it simply means the (indistinct) are different. The (indistinct) of Ajamila chanting Krsna’s name at that moment were like one in a, you know, one in a whatever, million or something. Whatever. I don’t know the exact (indistinct) It was very poor (indistinct) that he would chant. Still there were always some chant. So he chanted.

Prabhupada said if you are cent percent Krsna conscious,then there is hundred percent chance you will chant Krsna’s name. If you are ninety percent Krsna conscious, then ninety percent, like that. But up to seventy percent Krsna will still deliver you. That’s almost guaranteed. Although we shouldn’t try for seventy percent, then we may get only forty or thirty eight something. We should try for hundred percent. But there is  a little bit gap. Just like we try to get straight A’s. But if you get a C you pass. Even you get D you can pass. But somehow or other… Main thing is at the end who passes. You pass with A level or you pass with just pass fail. Somehow if you can pass that’s your credit. Even if you don’t pass you (indistinct) again. Sit in the class again . One more chance.

This is sometimes some people  just as a mercy case, even though they may be thirty percent Krsna conscious they may also pass. There is a certain quota there. Krsna has that. So we shouldn’t give up hope. We should always try. But try to increase your possibilities for being delivered. Make it easy for Krsna to deliver you. The more you are Krsna conscious, the easier is for Krsna to deliver. Any other questions? Antardvipa das?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: Krsna when He comes, He comes different… He is always coming, why? More than everyday. In a day He is coming so many times. But sometimes He comes as a boar, sometimes as a fish, sometimes as a tortoise, sometimes  as a half lion, sometimes as a… Each different times He is coming in a different form. So it is not always a… Sometimes you just have to think even - This is Krsna. When Krsna came as a boar, He came out of the nose just as a small little speck in the ground  from Brahma’s nostril. All of a sudden He became bigger and bigger and fulfill the whole sky. So sometimes Krishna is coming. That also Brahma’s (indistinct) couldn’t recognise - This is Vishnu. Yes, He must be Vishnu. They finally realised, but He comes in so many forms. He comes as Krsna. Krsna then He is a little boy, He is playing. Is it the same Krsna? Somehow Lord Brahma he thought He was Krsna, but he wasn’t sure. Then he thought, “Let me play a joke.” Then he thought, “Why am I doing playing a joke?” Like that, sometimes you walk in to your Guru’s room and offer some suggestions as if you are the Guru, then you think, “Why did I do that? I shouldn’t  have done that.” These things happen. So Brahma had some idea, then he did it. Then he thought, “That’s not the thing to do.” Then he came back. Then he was really bewildered about Krsna. Just for a moment. He just did the thing for a moment. He thought this is Krsna, otherwise why he took the cowherd boys. But he wasn’t cent percent sure. (indistinct) No, He must be Krsna then I am really in trouble. Then I go back.”  So Lord Brahma has a day but his is quite a long day. It’s action packed. Most of the day we are spending, in the material world people  spend half a sleep anyway. Brahma is fully awake. That means every second he is seeing everything that is going on. Although his days are (indistinct) but at the same time he is more  conscious  in that day. He is conscious. One day he can fill one thing that we fill in so many lifetimes. Also he is in the mode of passion. So in the mode of passion you become very impetuous, very impulsive, very creative, very genius. Imagine all these things are there.  So that in passion, being  the Lord in the mode of passion sometimes it affects him. He has the idea of doing without thinking he might do it, to that extent.

Yes?

Devotee: Inaudible

Maharaja:  (indistinct) second canto Bhagavatam shows how he creates this world, how he does his work. He is so powerful. By willing…  He  knows the technique.  If you want to know how to do it, you have to be a Brahma. If you ask me how to built the sony tape recorder, I can’t tell you. You ask me how to build the universe? That we can tell you from Bhagavatm. This is how he  does it. Basic, step by step. How to take down the engine. First you take out, open up the, first thing is to open up  the hood, right? Then you loosen the screws. It’s there step by step. But then even if someone gives you the step by step, if you try to do it, you go there and… Just like I told  one devotee in the airplane, “You just put the bag up on the, you just put the bag up the thing over.” He goes there, everyone is laughing. He is going, he is putting, he got his finger on the crack trying to open up the...  I didn’t tell him you have pull the little, you see that  handle and then it opens. He said ok. First thing put bag in  overhead rack. He is trying to open the overhead rack. You may tell someone that you go and  this is how you fix the  car. You first have to open the hood (inaudible) hammering on and (inaudible). Doesn’t know you have to open up inside the car, you open up the (inaudible) compartment and pull the switch then the hood comes. He is trying to open away, you see. Like that. It gives the system- this is how  it happens. If you want to know the technique then you have to  the depth how he does it. Definitely some technique is there. That’s why he is Brahma. (laughter) It is no small joke. How he takes things from mind and makes it to ether, how from ether into… There is some... That we know that is how he does it. We give you some ether now. You are not Lord Brahma yet. Basic how it happened. What is happening they are giving an  overview. (indistinct) technique, he knows that. That is why he is an empowered incarnation - Gunavatar. He is given that quality. He is sitting, meditating, the whole universe is coming about. That is how powerful is meditation. We work like anything but nothing happens. This is called lay intelligent. He just thinks and everything is happening.

Nitai Priya?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: Well, falling back into maya -  the question does not arise until  we get out of maya. To get out of maya, to fall back in maya. So if you get out of maya, then there’s no worry to fall back in maya. Krishna says napnuvanti mahatmanat. If you get out of maya you don’t fall back. Birth after birth is that if you don’t get out of maya, then you have to continue  serving to get out of maya. So you don’t regress. So you come at the same position. Unless of course you started at the same position. You have to develop from there. And if achieve Krishna then you don’t fall back into maya. It is the general rule.

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: Imitating Mahaprabhu?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja: Oh!

Devotee: (inaudible)

Maharaja:  Aha! Maybe some connection.

Devotee: Inaudbible

Maharaja: That is why he has four heads. You try to  put it all  into one head, it will break up.

Devotee: Inaudible

Maharaja: So do not think  his head is one head like our head. It is not a meat head or a fish head. His body is also not made of this gross, what you called it brain spasm or something. What is it? Plasma or something. Cells and celluloid. I forget all the terminology. But his body is not made of earth. He is not an earthling. He is not human. He is beyond human. He has all the human qualities but more than that. His body is made of far more durable substance than this fleshy bodies. That is why he is not visible to the human beings unless he wants to be visible. So then if we try to fit in with our brain, even just try to figure out simple things people  are cracking their brain. So now we got no time to do Brahma’s job for him. Try to do your job. Somehow you can become Krishna conscious even with the feeble human brain. But if you try to create the universe with this brain, then it will crack. For that you have to have a Brahma brain. But Animal brain can’t understand Krsna, neither can it create universe. Human brain can’t create universe but it can understand some basic understanding that’s enough that you can go back to Krsna. That is the wonder of human life. You don’t have to be a Brahma to be Krsna conscious. But if you want to create the universe, you want to know the details exactly how to do, then you have to be a Brahma because Brahma has got that much intelligence. Just like the man working on the assembly line, he says that “Just for one day, I want to sit and become the chairman of the board.“ You see, he is not going to be able to deal with all the take over from other companies and this and that.  This income tax, various things. He only knows how to tighten up the screws. So that is the thing. So even if a person can eventually be the chairman of the board, but then he has to  increase his intelligence. So if you want to be Brahma you have to increase your material intelligence. That involves going through a few change of body.

Moral of the story, the yogi is (inaudible) he wanted to bite off more than he could chew. Instead of wanting to become Krsna conscious or God realized, he was all involved in all these other things, totally abstract. He got a blessing. (indistinct) muni got a power to give such a blessing. But he didn’t, couldn’t anticipate what would be the result of that. Just like you say, “Pls make one… What is that atomic explosion like? Well, you know…”

“No, no, I just want to see it. Just make one right here.”

You all sitting there. (explosion sound) Then after that you all finish. You ask for it. “I want to know what it is like. But you didn’t ask that first give me such a body that can handle it. So you are over load. (indistinct) should avoid speculation - What is it like to be Brahma? Hmmm

Devotee: Inaudible

Maharaja: It is not just having four heads. It's got much more than that.

Devotee: Inaudible

Maharaja: We should try to understand what is it like to be a pure devotee of Krsna. Try to  you serve Krsna and achieve that. Devotional  aspect of Brahma that we can achieve. But creational aspect of Brahma, it’s just like a little  person has IBM pc wants to know what is it like to be a computer, like they use to send off  those challenges and rockets to outer space. If you have a computer and you try to load too big a program,  the computer, it says (indistinct) the whole thing freezes up. (indistinct) beyond its capacity. To (indistinct) the entire material universe, to create it and see that everything is going- that requires some special material intelligence. We don’t need that material intelligence to function on this planet. You  need a little more material intelligence to be able to drive on the highways than you need to drive on bullock cart. But spiritually the person driving in the bullock cart may be far more advanced than someone driving on the freeway here in America. So we should try to develop our spiritual intelligence and those aspects of Lord Brahma where he advise us about the spiritual truth for our education, we can understand that because that is something comes from the soul and the soul can start to realise that human life mens we are not so  covered up that we cannot understand these things. We can understand because we are less covered than the animal life. But the demigod, they got more material intelligence. That is also a liability. They got so much material intelligence, ability and power that that also becomes  a distraction. They get involved in all those controlling aspects. So they think they are on top of things. (indistinct) aloof from gross kind of suffering. Their suffering is very less, very different type, very subtle, just subtle anxieties and things. As you go higher up than the (indistinct), they don’t get general disease and things like that. Old age comes just one day for many of them, for some different categories are there. So that is also liability. You may have so much material things in your mind. They not only  have to think about Krsna. They have to think about the whole universe. But if they are doing it as devotional service, then  that is perfect. If they are doing it as…, that is the problem. How to do everything as devotional service. Whether you are managing director of a big company, whether you are the street sweeper, whatever you are,  you have to do it for Krsna. Things become more and more complicated, then you have to be more conscious of Krsna.  It is easier to forget the more complex things are. When very simple, it is easier to remember Krsna, in one sense. So Prabhupada said that the devotees in society they have to  concentrate in their particular service. The managers they may have to deal with so many things. But each individual devotee they should deal with their particular service. Don’t have to worry about global problems and the zonal problems and  things like that. They just have to deal with their own devotional service. That is the fallacy of the modern democracy. Every person is reading the paper trying to figure out what should our (indistinct) with this country. And they are only getting the story from the newspaper. They are not getting full. The President makes his decision based on the CIA, National Security Council, Secret Service, FBI and so many...What we are reading in the newspaper is some speculation some guy writes, a few things and we are supposed to judge whether it is the right decision or not. So instead of being Krsna conscious, we are all controlling the world through newspapers. So it is actually a distraction, a waste of energy. What is needed is that we should use our energy to be Krsna conscious. To whatever extent something concerns us we should be involved. If it doesn’t concern us  we should just do our service. Not get distracted.

Okay. Hare Krishna.