19870714 Bhagavad-gītā 11.4

The following is a given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami Maharāja on 14th July 1987 at Copenhagen, Denmark. The class begins from a reading from the Bhagavad-gītā chapter 11 verse 4.

manyase yadi tac chakyaṁ
mayā draṣṭum iti prabho
yogeśvara tato me tvaṁ
darśayātmānam avyayam

Translation: If You think that I am able to behold Your cosmic form, O my Lord, O master of all mystic power, then kindly show me that unlimited universal Self.

Purport: It is said that one can neither see, hear, understand nor perceive the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, by the material senses. But if one is engaged in loving transcendental service to the Lord from the beginning, then one can see the Lord by revelation. Every living entity is only a spiritual spark; therefore, it is not possible to see or to understand the Supreme Lord. Arjuna, as a devotee, does not depend on his speculative strength; rather, he admits his limitations as a living entity and acknowledges Kṛṣṇa’s inestimable position. Arjuna could understand that for a living entity it is not possible to understand the unlimited infinite. If the infinite reveals Himself, then it is possible to understand the nature of the infinite by the grace of the infinite. The word yogeśvara is also very significant here because the Lord has inconceivable power. If He likes, He can reveal Himself by His grace, although He is unlimited. Therefore Arjuna pleads for the inconceivable grace of Kṛṣṇa. He does not give Kṛṣṇa orders. Kṛṣṇa is not obliged to reveal Himself unless one surrenders fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and engages in devotional service. Thus it is not possible for persons who depend on the strength of their mental speculations to see Kṛṣṇa.

Thus end the Bhaktivedanta Swami translation and purport to Text 4 Chapter 11 of The Bhagavad Gītā As It Is in the matter of the universal form.

Jayapatākā Swami: The word ‘manyase’ ‘yadi’ if you think, it’s important because it demonstrates the attitude of Arjuna in requesting Kṛṣṇa. That if You think that i can see your universal form. Sometimes the devotees they generally don’t ask Kṛṣṇa anything, rather they offer Kṛṣṇa their service. That’s the nature of devotion to serve Kṛṣṇa. It’s Kṛṣṇa who is spontaneously thinks how to reciprocate with His devotee, how to offer His devotee service. But the devotee doesn't want to accept any service from Kṛṣṇa. But sometimes for some reason the devotee may feel that, some need, to ask Kṛṣṇa something, but the devotee then asks in this way ‘if You think’ ‘manyase yadi’ if you think, like sometime we would pray that say some devotee is sick we pray to Kṛṣṇa that if you, if you’re pleased kindly allow this devotee to become healthy and remain because we require the association of that devotee and if You think that if You please and would kindly have your blessing. Because if Kṛṣṇa wants to take someone, who can stop Him, so the devotees sometimes ask like this. That was the way Prabhupāda would pray to Kṛṣṇa, if You think, if You like. So Arjuna, he’s not asking Kṛṣṇa for some kind of sense gratification that, I like to see your, your cosmic form, you know they’re really gratifying to me. He’s asking because he can understand that when Kṛṣṇa has declared that He’s the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the future someone may say, well He just like said, He doesn't mean it, it’s true. Like in India today there’s a lot of, so called incarnations of Godhead. They claim that they are Kṛṣṇa, and the, by the if you would go to them and say kindly sir please show me your universal form, you’d get booted out immediately, what you are doing? You’re being insolent. But Prabhupāda he said that if someone claims that he’s God, he should be able to prove it. If somebody shows at the airport and said that I’m the president of Norway, or president of England or whatever, there’s no president in England but president of France. Of course, everyone knows who the president is, but they would say well kindly show it. Someone claims to be the Lord of the whole worlds then he should be able to demonstrate that, otherwise you don’t claim it. So Arjuna knows that well, I believe you and Kṛṣṇa believed, i mean Arjuna believed Kṛṣṇa but may be in the future others wouldn't. They’d say well Kṛṣṇa’s not God, He’s not, He’s saying that but He’s not the Supreme Lord, so then, Arjuna is requesting, as he said in the previous verses:

O lotus-eyed one, I have heard from You in detail about the appearance and disappearance of every living entity and have realized Your inexhaustible glories.

O greatest of all personalities, O supreme form, though I see You here before me in Your actual position, as You have described Yourself, I wish to see how You have entered into this cosmic manifestation. I want to see that form of Yours.

So basically the purpose is actually to, not that he doesn’t believe, but that others might not believe. Prabhupāda said that Arjuna did not have any personal desire for confirmation, Kṛṣṇa also understands that Arjuna wants to see the universal form to set a criterion, for in the future they would be so many imposters who would pose themselves as incarnations of God. The people therefore should be careful. One who claims to be Kṛṣṇa should be prepared to show his universal form to confirm his claim to the people. Just like, for sometime this bhagwan rajneesh, he was claiming to be God, but then later he said there is no God, so where is the question of being God, there’s no God, and then he when, I don’t know exactly but he kept changing. So there’s some other guru some time ago, 5, 10 years ago, he was claiming to also be Kṛṣṇa but then he got married to his secretary who was, I don’t know Danish, or American or some, I don’t remember what Nation, or maybe it was American girl. So he got married to her secretary, some western girl and so then his mother said that he’s no longer God. He’s brother, younger brother now is God, but then his younger brother didn’t have the charisma, people went following him, he couldn’t deceive the people well enough, so then in spite of having married western secretary, ah still some people were following the other older brother so then the mother said well now he’s God to go, he’s transferred back. People are believing these things, it’s amazing, I don’t know what they think about? But then there’s a, there’s another famous yogi or he’s got some big hair like this and he also claims to be God, he shows some magical tricks and once there was one magician Sorcar, he’s very famous magician in, this Sorcar junior, in India. So he said, sir I would like to meet you, so he wrote back a note I don’t see magicians. Why if he’s incarnation of Godhead, why he wants to see a magician? See he’s always, he’s giving people ashes, on their head and then he’s also just making rasagullas and apples and watches just come from the air, and he’s giving to people. So just see why is this? And if genuinely producing these things from the air then he’s no fear of magician comes, then why he refuses? So he said he determined I’m gonna go and see him. So he just went without revealing his identity that so called incarnation. And know he all of a sudden, here you take this. So then the magician he went like this shh shh, so here you take a rasgulla you know, so that incarnation you know, what's going on! Shh shh you take this, here’s an apple, he said take it, here an orange, so who are you? He says I am sorcar, sorcar the great, whatever you know. Listen, I claim to I’m a magician but what you doing is simply ordinary magic! But you claiming you’re God! That’s why you’re a cheater. Hat get out of here! You know they  forced him out of it. So these things like are going on, in India it’s regular pastime that somebody claims to be God.

In the time of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura he had that, that one yogi who also had big hair, had some mystic powers, he worshiping kali or something some demigods, he got some mystic power in his hair, he could also do some magical feats. Recently just about 20 years ago, when I just came in India about 15 years ago there was one yogi and he also has the big hair but, big beard, he had that little temple by the side of the Mahanadi river in orissa which is about 200 kilometers from Jagannātha Purī. So he would sit inside his temple, and there, people would come and give him offerings, and he close the door of the temple and he’d open the door again, the servant, and he’ll be gone. He’s gone! Boom they close the door. Then after about one hour they’d open the door again, hup there he’ll be back again with big piles of hot prasādam, so it’s from Jagannātha Purī. Even in Jagannātha Purī you can hardly get hot prasādam. But he had hot prasādam and said by his mystic power he was going to Jagannātha Purī and bringing it back. The they would distribute that, and people give him donations. He was doing some rāsa-līlā or something, so somehow some husbands were complaining that this person playing with their wives and so many difficulties are coming so, they said the police to investigate, that special intelligence branch. So, they’re studying what is this going on? So they found that by the river side about two three hundred meters from that temple there’s some smoke coming from the ground, so it’s very unusual. So then they made a raid one time when they close the door, the police came, pulls the door open and they found in that temple there was a secret track entrance. And they went in it there was a tunnel and in the tunnel they followed, there they found there was underground kitchen. And there this yogi was there with, with his cooks and he getting the offerings to bring it over to the temple. So then they showed all the people just see how he’s cheating you. So then the people they took the yogi and one by one they pull out all the hairs of his beard and head. Meanwhile the police were writing out a complaint, they just ignoring you know. And it’s like a daily affair, I mean even today they are so many so called avatāras that Kṛṣṇa says

yadā yadā hi dharmasya
glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya
tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham 

paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya
sambhavāmi yuge yuge

That I’ll come ‘yuge yuge’ age to age, in every millennium. But actually in India not only the incarnations coming, you see every age, but every, not only every century, or every decade, or every year, but every month every week there’s new avatāras coming, you see, but they’re not the real avatāras, they’re bogus. This is the, the the funny thing. If people are religious so they exploit their sentiment. They’re not satisfied to say that the guru is representative of Kṛṣṇa, they have to say guru is Kṛṣṇa, he is Kṛṣṇa, he is incarnation, he’s God. He’s not getting the power from Kṛṣṇa but he is Kṛṣṇa. There is a one famous story about one incarnation, he claimed to be the reincarnation of Lord Caitanya. So but then he was found in a bond with some girl, and her parents beaten really bad for messing around and then they just completely beat him and so he was so afraid and he went and hide inside a cave for many years. And he was inside a cave out of fear because if he goes out he might get beaten up again. Then after sometime his followers come there and they find that he looks very sick, so they bring a doctor, and the doctor says you bring, without any sunlight for so long that your health is very bad, so you need to get some air, he told his followers you take him on a bullock cart, it’s like a cart, let him go around and get some air he’ll get cured. So then they were carrying him around on this cart, then he fell off the cart broke his leg and died. So followers felt cheated that avatāra or incarnation is dead. So they made another plan, they out him in a, in a very bury, then out of the cave they came up with a little baby, a little boy of 3 years old, so look at! He immediately reincarnated, just like that, this is the new avatāra. But then after a day or two of showing that this is him, came back again like this, then the parents came and said why you kidnaped our child, we don’t need all these. Every, you can’t believe how the people are going on, just like Prabhupāda said that Kṛṣṇa can understand how in the Kali-yuga people are going to, just try to push forward this idea, I’m incarnation of Godhead. Everyone wants to be worshiped as God, all these false religious people.

So basically the Vaiṣṇavas, they are trying to establish who is God? Who is actually the Supreme personality of Godhead? Now you can understand why Lord Caitanya although He is Kṛṣṇa, because He’s coming as a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, He never proclaimed that He was Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise everyone will proclaim that they’re, they already doing that. But in Lord Caitanya’s mahā-prakāśa līlā when 21 hour ārati was performed, that another time also Lord Caitanya showed His total spiritual opulences. In fact one time also Lord Caitanya revealed His universal form in the house of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. So although Lord Caitanya never proclaimed that He was Kṛṣṇa to the public and although all the scriptures say Kṛṣṇa will come but in the form of a devotee, for His intimate followers who kept realizing that He was Kṛṣṇa. On two occasions He revealed His spiritual opulences. He did not publicize that. He’s actually Kṛṣṇa but in Kali-yuga Kṛṣṇa only comes in disguise. So for His followers He could reveal, but to the public He did not reveal and during His presence nobody could claim, that He was Kṛṣṇa. Only after He left that He allowed, that after I leave you can reveal who I am. During my presence I don’t want anyone to speak that I am Kṛṣṇa. It’ll disturb my pastimes.

kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇaṁ

sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam

yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair

yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ

Kṛṣṇa will come glorifying Kṛṣṇa, in a non-blackish color. In a color of golden color accompanied by His own expansions ‘sāṅgo’ Nityānanda, Advaita, Gadādhara, Śrīvāsa by His incarnation, by His energies and associates, by His paraphernalia. What will He come to do? See the śāstra, there is a way of telling who is an avatāra because first of all avatāra would be predicted that this incarnation of Godhead will come, He will have these qualities. Even in one of the Veda, literatures that predicts that Kṛṣṇa will come ‘Śacī Garbhe’ in the womb of Śacī. He’ll come, in first 24 years of his life He’ll be a gṛhastha, last 24 He’ll be a sannyāsī. He’ll come and spread the saṅkīrtana movement. He’ll come and chant His glories, all these various descriptions are given. So if you study these, if you can see Lord Caitanya He fulfills, the actual bogus incarnation there’s no quotation or any prediction, they’re just blaming like that. It’s naturally they create a disturbance in society. If somebody does claim that I’m God but then he should be able to show his universal form. Arjuna asked please if you think it’s possible for me to behold, kindly show me your universal form. If somebody is claiming like that that means he must accept that oh you’re such an intimate devotee I’m revealing to who I am. I’m God, oh thank you very much if you kindly, would be so kind you show the universal form, that should be their criterion. If you can’t show the universal form then don’t claim to be God. When Kṛṣṇa was present He also showed His universal form to, another universal form to Duryodhana when he tried to kidnap Him. Still they were so foolish they could not get any proper intelligence not to fight the Kurukṣetra battle. So Lord Caitanya actually He’s come to establish the proper sanatana dharma, return our religious principles, to give people real love for Kṛṣṇa. This is when Kṛṣṇa comes one of His qualities is He'll do something which no one else can do. To make people love Kṛṣṇa, that is the greatest miracle. 

One time Lord Caitanya was chanting at Rāmakeli, Rāmakeli is where Rūpa and Sanātana lived. Rūpa and Sanātana lived 3 to 4 kilometers from the capital of the Hussain Shah. The Hussain Shah was the emperor of the entire eastern India known as the Bangladesh which is comprised now of Bengal, Bihar and many other states in eastern India, and Rūpa and Sanātana were his finance prime minister and they were Vaiṣṇavas. So at their place Lord Caitanya He start a big harināma, at that harināma so many hundreds and thousands of people start to come, like ten thousands of people start to come. It’s a very big harināma and Lord Caitanya day and night he just kept the kīrtana going, he was going and going, He would just Himself, be always there with the kīrtana. So one of the ministers, in the Hussain Shah’s, one of the Hindu ministers. But the Hussain Shah was a muslim who was known for breaking down Kṛṣṇa temples and things so they thought this is dangerous that Lord Caitanya goes on chanting like this so many crowds of people are coming. What if the emperor that the Shah, what if he just does some violence to Lord Caitanya? Better to tell Him to go out of here. So then they made a plan to go and tell Lord Caitanya that He should move His kīrtana far away from the palace of the emperor. So then one minister, messenger he went to tell Lord Caitanya. But Lord Caitanya mean from morning to night He was doing kīrtana, He would just beg for a second, go and take a, take a quick bath, take some prasadam again out into kīrtana and there was no any moment that He could actually speak to Him. So he’s waiting for two days like this trying to get a chance, when he could speak to Lord Caitanya, but he wasn’t getting any opportunity. Are you going to understand? So then finally there was no hope, speaking of Lord Caitanya, so he started to tell other associates, you know you’re very close to the emperor’s palace, he could come in, do some violence to you, should be very careful this thing. So then suddenly and gradually the devotees started getting worried for Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya He saw in the kīrtana that the devotees are, they gonna little bit kind of distracted in the kīrtana. So then suddenly He stopped the kīrtana, you think I don’t know that I’m right next to the palace of the emperor of Bengal? You think I’m not aware of that? Why you’re all worrying? No one can stop the, my sankīrtana movement, don’t worry just go on chanting. So then everyone were Haribol, they went on with the kīrtana. So that minister went back frustrated.

So meanwhile next stay the emperor he just suddenly said that who is this Caitanya Mahāprabhu? So then one of his Hindu minister’s said he’s just some like a fakir they call this like a mendicant. He doesn’t have any money or any following, He just you know goes here and there, and few people follow, it’s not very significant, tried a really downplay so that maybe you know the emperor wouldn’t take it very seriously. The emperor said no I don’t accept, I don’t accept, I think that He’s non different from God. He’s non different from Khuda, Hafiz, Allah. You know shocked! How is him? How mean a ruler saying that Hindu sannyāsī is non-different from Allah? He said what makes you think that. Your majesty. He said that well, why do you work for me? Why do my governors work for me? Why is this, how is this whole government running? It’s all running because I’m paying everyone. If they didn’t get their salary, if they didn’t get remuneration, if they didn't get some kind of money, some kind of material thing, who would work for me? I don’t even think my wife will stay with me if I didn’t give her material things. If this Caitanya Mahāprabhu, even my minister even so many big people they’re chasing after Him, people are giving up everything and following Him chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Not taking any salary, not taking anything from Him material, yet they’re fully satisfied. No one can do that unless they’re God. Who in this world who can satisfy anyone without money? They’re satisfied and without money, it must be spiritual. Some of the ācāryas they consider who is this form, a Mohammaden emperor who has recognized Lord Caitanya is God? He’s not obviously an ordinary person. But Lord Caitanya after some time He moved on, went back to Jagannātha Purī. His purpose for going to Rāmakeli was fulfilled, He met Rūpa and Sanātana, gave them the order to go to Vṛndāvana, to meet Him, to join Him.

So like this Lord Caitanya His purpose was actually to give people love for Kṛṣṇa but that is the greatest miracle. People just say why that Śrīla Prabhupāda, that sometimes people leave, so that’s not unusual because there are so many material attractions everywhere. What’s the miracle? How’s is anyone staying? How is anyone satisfied just chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and living a simple life? Why are they satisfied? And if you lose your absorption and if you become distracted, if you commit some offences somewhere you become entangled again in illusion. But the fact that anyone can be happy without anything material, that’s the miracle! It’s possible because this holy name, chanting of Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa himself. It’s possible by following Lord Caitanya because Lord Caitanya is Kṛṣṇa himself. Actually, Srila Prabhupāda did so many miracles, in making temples and publishing so many books, we can get so many but the actual greatest thing he was able to produce devotees and devotees are being produced by devotees and this way, that’s the actual real miracle. Advaita Gosāñī he could see Navadvīpa 500 years ago, it was very materialistic, it was very hard to preach there, was impossible to preach practically speaking. No one wanted to hear anything, they all knew everything, they all very proud and people are very religious superficially but is was all materialistic religion. Simply praying to different forms of God to give them some material benediction, there was no pure devotion. Pure devotion was practically few, rare Vaiṣṇavas were there. 99% everyone was in Māyāvāda or in karma-kāṇḍa, in some materialistic form of so called superficial religion, dharma, apa-dharma. In fact people although are very proud of their religiosity so they would show off what they were doing. So when they would marry their daughters they would have big ceremonies to marry their daughters so spend lot of money to show, look at I am religious. But is was all just giving it for their family. And then well people run out of daughters, they still wanted, it was a very enjoyable think of big married ceremonies will give big feast to everyone. So they started doing this, they would have marriage ceremonies for Śiva and Pārvati deities, make a deity of dal of Śiva and Pārvati, marry them, that was another competition someone took a male and female dog and married them. Big Vedic ceremony changed to garland  you know (laughing) fire yajña the whole thing. And someone, he did I’m not gonna leave, he had married a female and male cat. This way this going on you know, Advaita Gosvāmi see, what’s all this? What is going on in the name of religion? He was this isn’t religion! Something farce. But the people are thinking this they’re showing I’m very religious their marrying at cat by a Vedic ceremony (laughing). So totally it’s it’s, it’s a mutation. That’s why they prayed to Kṛṣṇa, that You come down, because You can give love for yourself. That’s Kṛṣṇa’s special feature, He can give His own love. Normally He doesn’t give it so freely, as Kṛṣṇa He would give it very sparingly. He leisurely give liberation, He give mystic power, He give material benediction but to get love of Kṛṣṇa from Kṛṣṇa was a very rare benediction. When Kṛṣṇa came as Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He freely gave out this love of Kṛṣṇa.

dīna-hīna jata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārilo,
tāra śākṣī jagāi mādhāi

He came to give out prema, pure love for Kṛṣṇa. That is something which in history has not happened, previously in any known history, in a day of Brahmā. So we all very fortunate, we’re very fortunate to be present while Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s movement is here on this world. If you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you can achieve, you can taste even now you can get a taste for love for Kṛṣṇa. That’s the greatest good fortune.

Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

On kīrtana: The dervishes dancing or sufis dancing, that came after Lord Caitanya’s movement. Because in India there’s no such ceremony of dancing and chanting. People would sit down and do sitting kīrtana, it’s not the custom of just general Hindus to do chanting and dancing. Chanting and dancing was brought by Caitanya Mahāprabhu, there’s no history of that before. Lord Caitanya and the disciples of Lord Caitanya made this chanting and dancing established in India. Big groups of people singing and dancing and chanting, but when the Mohammedians they said that, to people that you had a choice of dying or converting to Islam, you’re not the most liberal to people. So some people, some sādhūs just to save their self they became superficially Muslim. But actually they preach the same thing, they actually they were like offshoots of Lord Caitanya’s movement. They weren’t sufi. Then after this chanting became very popular then some, this I’ve heard many historians say that it was Hindu sannyāsīs who became the sufis or the dervishes and they started this, this type of Muslim offshoot, it’s a kind of a combination between Hindu and Muslim. It’s not a, in Islam, it says specifically you shouldn’t play any instruments when you’re doing namaz, in namaz you shouldn’t do singing and dancing. It’s definitely in influence of India, doesn’t exist in Arabia or persia any of these areas, only when you just start coming over eastern Iran, Pakistan and Northern India that when they start to mix the islamic and the, the Vedic Hindu cultures. That time the Vedic culture in Islamic there was a few mixtures, that’s when it started, Lord Caitanya’s not influenced by them. And His style of chanting is also totally unique, use of the clay drums, this is a imitation of fiber glass but the clay grums, the karatālas, it’s not imitating anyone else, it’s an original. No one else ever did that before as such exactly are made from wooden drums sitting down they would do but His drums everything, that was the unique, unique contribution. Also I went to Iran and they’re dancing where some sufis did but now of course their dancing is totally different. It’s not a very spontaneous type of dancing, as they really force them. They get into it but it’s like someway it’s completely different. But they join our kīrtanas in Iran before the, they became very heavy. They were incepted sufis amongst Muslims.

On devotional service: In the Bhāgavatam elaborate study on prāyaścitta, atonement, how does a person get purified for doing evil things or bad things, others doing bad karmas. Even you put someone in jail , even they know that what they did was wrong, still, when they get let out, they go on do the same thing again. So then what’s the value of atonement, was a very interesting discussion between Śukadeva and Parīkṣit. But Śukadeva was testing Parīkṣit. So basically the point is that simply by performing pious activities doesn’t take away the desire to act in bad karma or sinfully. Similarly just punishment alone doesn't take away that desire, some people even they directly suffer, if put in prison get punished so they go on do the same thing, think that next time I won’t get caught or something. They can’t control their senses. The point is that Lord Caitanya is actually changing the heart of people that after getting the mercy of Lord Caitanya they wont do these things again, the tendency will be controlled. Jagāi and Mādhāi after they, the thing they was very horrible people before they were delivered. Once they were delivered they were perfect Vaiṣṇavas. They didn’t break their vow to Lord Caitanya, they followed very strictly. Say somebody gets a taste for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness that they develop their love for Lord Kṛṣṇa by Lord Caitanya’s mercy automatically they get all good qualities and the desire to do bad, or materialistic things, it is gradually eradicated from the heart.

janayaty āśu vairāgyaṁ
jñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam

Spontaneously knowledge and renunciation appear in the heart ‘ahaitukam’ it’s no material cause for that, so this all part of the bhakti principles. Lord Caitanya is giving bhakti so there’s a change of heart. By chanting a person experiences a change of heart, their attitudes, their outlook, is changes, so that’s different. Then to setting some criminals free, you set criminals free but they go on doing crimes, so that’s why Lord Caitanya He was strict for His followers that if you take a vow to act in a particular way, you stick, stick by it. So he was strict with Haridāsa, junior Haridāsa, Chota Haridāsa. But generally, and there are few examples of people falling into some kind of maya, but generally that tendency was, so for few careless examples, actually that tendency is changed. That’s what’s unique because in the material world the governments are frustrated, they don’t know how to re rehabilitate criminals, criminals remain criminals. No matter how many times you put them back in prison they again they, cause some hard-core criminals, that nothing they can do to change them. Two-time losers, three time losers again and again they get put in prison. But, Lord Caitanya movement changes the heart, it’s actually a revolutionary process. So revolution in the, in the consciousness and the sinful lives of the people ‘jana rāga viplavau’. Some qualities spontaneously come but the same time one can practice, this is we follow sadhana bhakti. Perfect thing is if one directly can always think of Kṛṣṇa, never forget Kṛṣṇa. But if one’s not able to do then we practice sadhana bhakti, the practice, regulative practice of devotional service where we practice remembering Kṛṣṇa, practice serving Kṛṣṇa. So similarly we should, a devotee, pure devotee may spontaneously exhibit vaishnava etiquette. But we don’t wait for that stage well even, while we progressing on the way back to home back to Godhead we try to assimilate what is the proper etiquette, how does one act into relate with the Vaiṣṇavas. So if one can not develop love for Kṛṣṇa, if one doesn’t know the proper Vaiṣṇava etiquette you’ll commit offences, if you commit offences how you develop love for Kṛṣṇa?