19870314 Nāmahaṭṭa Seminar

How we were speaking in the beginning that Bhakti Vinod Thakur said that according to your faith , the type of level of chanting you develop , whether Sraddha or Nistha , Ruchi,Asakti , Bhav , according to that it’s … it’s different kind of money . He compared that Sraddha is like 1 cent ,Nistha is like 12 cents , Ruchi is like 25 cents , Asakti is like 50 cents , and  Bhav is like 1 unit, rupee or dollar  or pound or marc whatever . And Prema is like Cougerand , Gold coin. You got a cougerand , you have … You don’t know cougerand ! [Bhakti RaghavMaharaj says- I don’t know cougernad]  That’s like 1 ounce of gold coin of South Africa … name is.   So I was just meditating on that how that sounds  like that really something … you know… conceptual , but actually if you take it up  practical sense , you go in the market , anyone can buy anything.  You got 5 cents , you buy 5 … you buy a candy bar,  You have 1 cent , you buy a bubble gum , if you have  a dollar, then you can buy something more.  So depending how much money you have, at that time 1 cent was a lot. Now … it’s  you know we have to multiply just by Inflation you know , rather  into like one may say Sraddha is like 1 cent . That time you can buy a bag of rice for 1 cent , Sad to say it may be equal to maybe like a 100 dollars  and Bhava is like equal to 10,000 dollars in terms of purchasing power . So the point is that what it mean normally we just consider someone in the temple ,  following four regulative principles , chanting 16 rounds , so they say already at the  level of Nistha, atleast.  They are supposed to be at Nistha , they are supposed to be fixed, they are already doing all these things . So there were 25 cents by that , but actually the namhatta preaching  … everyone is a prospective customer , simply we want to get them to chant Hare Krishna and engage them in Lord Chaitanya’s movement . Bhakti RaghavMaharaj mentions that sometime people say Namhatta , Namhatta, but what about Book Distribution? But actually  the Namhatta  … one of our Namhatta distributed laxmi … , the winning Namhatta …  how many books of literature, do you remember?  Isn’t it 25000 or something ,  {background  I don’t know …pretty large amount]  25000 laxmi points …. 50000 laxmi points of books . 1 Namhatta group ,… [unclear] in terms of books . So in this way through the Namhatta you can have so many books being distributed . If you consider I have one disciple who is a Quality Control Engineer  of  WIMCO…   Wimco is the Swedish Company  that makes matches all over the world and he is the one who checks whether the  coating on the match and or that is proper … you know some quality control . He  gets salary about 1500 rupees or 2000 rupees a month  whichis big for India but you know Westernstandard it’s nothing . But for Indians it’s all right , medium , middle class .So, he takes out of that  10 % of his salary , and he buys books every month , and he has 6000 labourers in his factory, and over a period of 2 years , buying 150 rupees for the books , I told him you can distribute books,.So he  went to each member of his factory and gave a free book,  and told them if you want to donate something , you can give us something . And he had a can  I am giving you something , but if you like to give something for  buying more books,  then you can give something .  So mostly everybody gave ,  so that mean that He would more or less cover the cost of the books,  about 75% of the cost of the books. That money he put next month he would buy 300 rupees of the books  , and in this way it went up , so that in the end ,he has given every member of the factory a book . And  even the Communist   party leaders there . It’s in the factory in India you got Communist, Congress  so many kinds , they are also saying - You are not gonna give us the book?? . Where’s our book ?They are demanding. So he gave them. So 1 person distributed in a year nearly  6000pieces of literature , 1 man . So you consider Namhatta , we have got , in not only West Bengal , but in other states,  a total of 2000 Namhatta groups .  Each group has an average of 50 people… 50 familes … 50 people means 50 families . So 2000 times 50 means 100000 families,  An in India , every family means atleast 10 people, that means 1 million people. So even if you say 100000 families , each family distributed 1 piece of literature  a year maybe 100000 books .So you talk about book Distribution. 20 devotees go out , everyday distributing 20 Bhagavad Gitas , each  if they did that 25 days a month,  will not equal what Namhatta can distribute .. once the thing is properly organised , and  working.  So the point is that some people say that even they told me one time that Jayapataka Swami is Namhatta brain .He does… he is not a bbtman . They doesn’t understand that for the future of bbt  , Namhatta is the biggest marketing place. Nityanandaprabhu was no fool,   Bhakti Vinod Thakur was no fool, BhaktiSiddhantaSaraswatiTahkur was no fool. When they said that fruit of book distribution comes toNamhatta , Namhatta is the  very effective means of distributing books , because if you can do you what these,  evenif you just tell every person distributes 5 books  in a month. We have 1000 people , That’s’ 15,that’s 5000 books, and as you give more books more people join, it goes on expanding . So whether you look from Book Distribution, whether you look form Varnashramtimes , people say that Prabhupad never talks about Namhatta . The point is that Prabhupad said I did half the work. I built temple, I printed the books, I published the books,  I started the Distribution.  The other half of the work you have to do. And what is that?   You sayVarnashrama .So varnashram preaching – DaivaVarnashrama  - organising a people in a Krishna Conscious manner according to the quality and nature of work .  That only comes up, you cannot organise as much as varnashrama .Varnashram means that there’s  already  people that have to believe in Vedic Culture .There’s no Varnashrama for Yavanasor Mlechas . Varnashrama is for people Bramhan, Ksatriya ,Vaishya, Sudra . That means that they first  have to become devotee. Then you can have varnashrama . Namhatta is to make the society devotees . Our temples were never meant just to be … little you know communes of 10, 15 ,20, 100 devotees  and rest of the world, we don’t have any contact .They are meant to be centers. Prabhupad said ,Within 10 kms, no one should go hungry,  They should be like nerve centre for the entire community ,and  he ordered that like … Mayapur should deliver the whole West Bengal , the whole India , and should have effect over the whole world.  And different temple should have an effect. The point is that actually…allright Namhatta should … may not use a particular word.But in his preaching he authorises  directly and it was only in his books,  that he was the editor of the actual world of Namhatta.  But it happens that… that  is the stage that which the next stage you can do is you can have.. Once you have ,the whole world part of Namhatta , then you can organise them as Varnashrama, lest they are part of the Namhatta , how you can organise them as Varnashrama, How you are gonna unless you can bring them to that level of  believing in Krishna Consciousness, Varnashrama is not possible… DaivaVarnashrama .So in the broader sense this is the mass marketing  to bring our society and this is actually what gives us the greatest  stability in future , and many other programs. Where is the quote that Bhakti Vinod Thakur said that all forms of preaching. You have that?

[Bhakti RaghavMaharaj says]

In the future, the Namhatta ,all forms of preaching will become the most single and greatest type of preaching,eclipse all other types of preaching.

[JPS]

and  eclipse all other types of preaching. So we hope that all of you see that how Book Distribution, Book Publication, Book Distribution and Namhatta all together are related .  Our temples Prabhupad explained that they are the training centres for Namhatta  preaching. You bring people, we train them up,send them back and let them practise them in their home .Prabhupad personally told me in 1970, before sending me to India , I was walking with him in amorning walk with Radha Krishna [unclear]  We used to go … in Los Angeles . I visited there for 2 months, maybe 2 months or 1 months, I forget . But one morning walk  Prabhupad… we were just walking and Prabhupad   suddenly just turned and said to me , Don’t think that everyone’s gonnalive in our temples. Don’t think that everyone’s gonna live in our temples. Our temples will be something like the churches are ,  where you have the  on the weekends , or  the people come… come there, there will be a huge congregations  and the people will be practising in their homes, they will be offering thePrasadam in their home , and they will be doing everything like that , but they will be coming to the temple on special days,  on weekends. It’s not that everyone is going to live inside our temple .Then Prabhupada  turned and walked . And that… That stucked my mind or 10 years , …  7 years 1977  that I remember that ,  he said that, but before I mean  , we didn’t has a sky blue . We didn’t … that time we are just opening temples ,we during 1970 , we didn’t  have any idea about the Congregational Preaching .  So Prabhupada  that time said that and then in … just before he leftat 1977 , then he told me yes , you go and youpreach to the people in the public , preach to the masses .So Prabhupada  gave a lot of instructions to  different people,and this was the  something over a period of 7 years , that it beeninspiring me maybe he didn’t tell any other people. I don’t know why?  But HariSauri  told me…  He told me He give some DarsanSandesh in Gujarat,  and in Hyderbad doing village preaching ,  and preaching to the masses in India .  And he told us  in Vrindavan in 1977, that  now  I preach in all the cities ,now I want to go on the whole parikrama  of India following the path of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu , I want to preach to the village people . They still have the culture in India, [unclearWe will let’s bring ] Let’s unite them and then bring them to the forefront. Let us  teach them  the nobility of working in the country or working in the agriculture  and dairy  , they don’t have to go and become a slave in the factory to have the self-prestige or happiness,. Then  he said that you get try many ways  to go on the tour . That  was like already  October ,November 77 ,and  we were all afraid that Prabhupad was very sick. How he can do?  But he said I want to go? And then that thing wasbeing  planned , but then it never fructified because of … anyways [unclear]. So the thing was that’s why we did this Padayatra was also in … because of his desire to go on that tour… Lord Chaitanya’s  route . But actually is… that was just part of it … not just to visit the route . He wanted to begin the village preaching ,so these are some of the highlights , as Maharaja said , practically speaking , such a big topic, wouldn’t it be nice  actually to have a  daily seminar , Maharaj could have had because I was , it’s not possible for me because I got the whole festival kind of on  my head but actually Maharajcould had a daily… and I could have attended , often [unclear] different other people . I can tell you that in South America, we started the Namhatta preaching and in South America we have many Namhattsspecially in Peru. We have lots of Namhatts formed there , and they have programs on Saturdays , people come sometimes as many as 20-25 people come for the Namhatta programs . And few people of the … leaders of the program they took inititaitonnow ,  and they are preaching to the other people . We have a whole program of one round, 4 rounds, 8 rounds, 16 rounds ,gradual progression to help the people [unclear]in Namahtta, to make them little more serious. But our program is , if you even chant one round , it’s all right, you are also part of the Namhatta , whether you got 1 dollar, 100 dollar, or 1000 dollar ,whatever you want to spend for Krishna , we will accept it.  But according to how much they are spending, naturally we will give them more attention.Since we started this program at least in Bengal ,practically speaking lot of the people , there’s not so many bloops as such , I mean that someone goes home , they go home and they start a0 namhatta , it’s not delusory , if someone joins in the Namhatta, they say you have to go home again, it’s not that they stop the devotional service .So that way the casualities in terms of people stopping chanting , or going  back to material life is not so much, because of the Namhatta . Wherever the people have come from the Namhatta, usually they don’t leave, but they do leave ,then they  go back to the house,wherethey keep on chanting , and performing the devotional activities. So inthat way  , it’s also more secure for preaching , we don’t lose devotees , as such , they just shift and their place where they do their service either in village or in the temple . Inmost of our Namhatta preachers now have come from the Namhatta , like Gaurachand , he originally was a Namhatta member , now he is one of our main Namhatta preachers , and office administrator . Many temple devotees have come, because when you … naturally you have so many families. Sometimes the parents sendthe other sons, you don’t be a devotee ,they wannabloop the parents ,send them back … say why you are nonsense, why you are leaving your service to Krishna(Guru Maharaj and other devotees laughs). We also say the other ones , when their parents [unclear] 15:22     but for the Namhatta , you do get parents , who are so convinced , therefore 5 children say that I don’t wanna be a devotee , then if the devotee wants to come back , their son , they get on the case . Why you are in Maya ? Go back to Mayapur. Go back to the temple .Any questions??

[Other devotee asks questions]

I had a couple of questions. Suppose there are some initiated disciples who are not staying… regular working outside . If they do some kind of preaching, [unclear]how we are to consider them, they are initiated disciples [unclear]

[Question unclear]

[unclear]Temple there is a side the local policy but we have whether initiated or uninitiated  people outside, who are chanting , either naturally if there’s a temple , sometime you engage them in temple service, that’s one thing ,but if you don’t … otherwise you could engage them in preaching to other people as Namhatta .Namhatta is the opportunity for the people living outside to do preaching. The whole perfection of Kaliyuga ,the Dharma ,the yuga Dharma, is NamaSankirtan. Kali Kali Dharma NamaSankirtan . So why should only devotees of temple have that nectar , why shouldn’t the devotees living outside also have that nectar?  So the way that they can have the nectar is you make them a … you give them some responsibility within the Namhatta structure ,and they can also do preaching once in a week , or once in a ,in a … whatever , in a period of … sayonce a week they can do or once a day whatever .Depending on how much time they have . So that will depend on individual and if you have a Namhatta program … Hare Krishna , you see our president of Siliguri, Kolati, he actually came from Namhatta. Isn’t it originally ?[Devotee replies ‘Ya’] Actually his father was a guru .He is always late. He’s late. He left the body ,[unclear] this world . But his father had 2000 disciples , as a Kula guru, one of the old fashioned Diksha Gurus . You see, that’s why in our Shastras , his father was the Diksha Guru,  and his father came ,bowed down to me, then the disciples  said that our father has respected you as the father , so what is that make us? You see. But then the Shastras , there’s sometimes Dhiksha and the Siksha Guru , are separate but now if [unclear]prabhupad said I am both the Diksha and the Siksha guru , for my disciple. It’s not thatthe Diksha Guru can also be the Shiksha guru , anyways, his father had … had like 2000 disciples. So he told them that you all be part of namhatta , and he’s the temple president of our temple in Siliguri. [unclear]

Devotee asks questions

The Namhatta people , they want to preach in a particular place . So those the people … in India specially there are so many parties, political … this,this So they may evenly follow, but they are not … they really don’t have any understanding of philosophy, in terms of [unclear] pure Krishna conscious world , maybe they will be having Mayavadi philosophy, people have their own [unclear]. How far they actually represent us?

[Guru maharaj says]

That’s why when we organise the Namhatta in India ,  that’s though we have this Rama  , it’s said because  since you see  we don’t need such, maybe you do need, anyway we don’t have such  big thing for our temple , because people are trained up , and then they are from the new temple , there’s[unclear] they can[unclear] into the Iskcon’sstandards, whatever that is , but for the Namhatta people since theyarenot so trained up, so we have drama so we tell them that this is the rule, you have to follow this system. And they normally atleast Indian people ,you see ,in the West people don’t like organisation, they don’t like any kind of organisation , but …. dislike organised religion , but in India people like organisation , they like rules, they like [unclear], because here everything is so disorganised , but at some place it’s organised  , they like it .Even our organised government , is like practically freeform . So when they see something is very organised , and has a system , they feel more protected by that , so just so that the uniformity in it. So you can say allright this is our rules, you should follow like this, so we made the drama. This drama is for all India. Because of each  state there’s a different customs , different situations ,  so we have a bylaws , which can be changed state by state , in the details of how it’s practised. So in the drama it states that what they has to do , and before they register that they may know this is the basic thing that one’s supposed to do. And also states that we have no legal liability over their activities, and are not allowed, they are not Iskcon, they are separate group recognised by Iskcon. So in this way this is a kind of protection, for us. Because see if a person is Iskcon’s, they may take a debt , then I giv e them a loan , because they are Iskcon’s we get in trouble , or they do something wrong, then they say well these people are iskcon’s  . So they are not Iskcon, they are separate groups organised under the Namhatta , they are recognised by Iskcon. If they do something which is improper , we take away their franchise , and no longer allowed  to use the Namhatta name . So long they follow the rules , they can use the name. First you put them on a probationary membership , for 6 months, see how a year, however long. If you see them functioning properly , then you make them as a full member . So initially when you sign someone up ,justsign them up quick , they are probationary members . After you see that they are regularly functioning , and they are doing properly , then you make them as a full member . Each day they are supposed to have a , each time they meet, they are supposed to have a regular system meeting . Meeting means that they do a kirtan , they read from Prabhupad’s book s, they may have some Prasad distribution, and clothes, like that simple thing or some discussion. So in the beginning , if you personally go there and train them how to do these things,  and they read from Prabhupad’s books ,  where’s the difficult . That’s which Maharaj is going ,that Namhatta requires not like just  you know , make a Namhatta, and then go to sleep. You have to just like, you have to train them,  you have to guide them, you have to build them up. Then only the thing.So that’s the problem we are facing in Eastern India’s side .Here the Namhatta has become so popular that we are having 2000 Namhatts, that is difficult for us to supervise all. So we have a whole Bhakti Vinod Thakur’s different higher structure , for supervising, but that structure itself we have to … its’ … we have to have people to train the people or to establish the structure , in other words the Namhatt members will supervise other Namhatta members , and they all willsupervise other Namhatta members , you know kind of like the lions, vice[unclear] , there’s lot of institutions that work that way. So the whole thing was depending upon training, cleaningthe temple, having seminars , having training.  The more that you train them , they can train others , That’s why it requires atleast a dedicated person, who can spend the time to visiting these places , training, when you have enough of them , then appointing someone to oversee , the other groups the group like that, it’s a whole … it’s a very demanding service . And when you go out and preach to these people … theyit’s a direct preaching. It’s not like just selling someone a book , and then you know maybe sometime you just given the book, somehow or other we  get the money, or like making a lifemember , and you just somehow get the donation saying, we will give you a ticket overseas ,or you can stay in our Guest House, or something another. When you go and , they are gonna ask so many other philosophical questions , specially in India , specially in South India , you see even in North India anywhere, they ask a lot of philosophical questions . To ask about What about Ramakrishna , what about this one, what about Sai Baba , what about. We have to know all the philosophies. They ask you. What’s the difference between VisistaDvait ,DwaitAdvait, SutaDvait, Advaita and all the thing. You have to know the philosophy.  They will ask you all kinds of questions , because they are your sitting in the village , there’s 20 people, 100 people you give a class, and at the end they all ask questions , so the actually the preacher has to be more to be a Namhatta preacher , it’s 10 times more demanding in terms of philosophical knowledge , then any other preaching so far , that I come up with in Iskcon except for being like a GBC , you have to preach to the devotees in ISKCON, or sanyasiwhere you are actually preaching to the devotees. Apart from that in terms of preaching to the public, this is the most demanding of all the preaching I have ever come across. They will ask very difficult questions and the … it’s not difficult, atleast they ask questions … you have to know the philosophy , you can’t just bluff them. Isn’t that? Because you are also in some preaching, in your Namhatta tour , what are some of the questions they ask ? [unclear]

They ask Just like so many other groups are preaching [unclear] so they are very strong establishment in village , and you go , then you are [unclear] with these kind of philosophies , [unclear]  rules and regulations , they will ask all different kind of questions.

No But like persons , I went on , we have to go on this tour . Sometimes if you go out and one of these, if you visit some of the places , you will see , I went to Burnpur , near Asansol. This place is hell on earth , this place is burning … burning  . Burnpur[with emphasis] burned out. This is right in the center of the town. There’s a steel factory . And all day they burn steel, and they don’t have any kind of ecological safeguard in India . Simply the soot is coming out, and the worst dust, the part of vehicle just in 10 minutes, the whole of the white van was covered with black dust . It’s the whole like that, and the people are . And the people are very because of the , you can hear the while town vibrating with the steel factory [ Guru Maharaj makes Ahhh sound] , so the people are very tensed like that . So I went there and they..almostjust you know pulling and beating the devotees,  and different thing. And I was just … they are like Gundas , we had to face the lot of problems , so then I talked to our namhatta, But that we handle it, by showing a movie , and everything we quitedthem all down. But then that Namhatta Secretary of that place , I remember he came to me , he was some [unclear]BhattaNayak or something . he wasn’t the real name.Because they lived in Bengal for long time. So he told me that we have the Namhatta , and we are about 20 members, and we are having regular meetings, but most of the members are RamaKrishna ,and  other group. Somehow we are going on , they are coming and participating , chanting everything. But gradually as they are reading Prabhupad’sGita ,Prabhupadon e by one  [chak – chak –chak] . He starts to chop the philosophy – Ramakrishna and all these mayavadi philosophies. So he said that, some of them are starting to realise that what we are preaching is against their philosophy, so I don’t know some of them, in the end either they have to be convinced , either they have to be on this side , or they all have to break out. But I was very impressed that this guy has such a sharp understanding, although he’s a new Namhatta, maybe at that time. Now he is old, but what’s the difference, it was 4-5 years ago , when I went there . That he had that much, he could already see, that here we are the people are preaching , either they have to come over to vaishnav side otherwise by natural selection , they are gonna get . We don’t directly say that , you know Ramkrishna, this or that. We just want to go on with the preaching , but after a while you know either they have to get purified, otherwise automatically . So you find like this , everywhere you go, just like you go on a new country , automatically people come and join, you go to a new state , new city, people  come and join our movement . When you start this type of, new type of preaching , there are also Grihasthas , and students and people out there , ready to participate in this Krishna Consciousness movement , on their stratum . Simply we have to go there and start preaching, and they come out. And lot of these people are very intelligent people that can… they can  advancethe Krishna Conscious cause , or any other of you have questions .

You said something very interesting. Everything you said was very interesting but for the … [unclear]

Prabhupad said that varnashram was for the public, not for the devotees,

Just like for this instance we have one Namhatta group in the … called Howrah which Sudarshanprabhu, just the name we had , Bhakti Purushottam, we did a tour through there. Now as an example , there’s about say half a dozen families , there more, I forget how many family, but there’s a good , a number of families there , whoare also part of the Namhatta . So they form their own kind of a community , where they are growing their food jointly ,where someof them are doing business together , they form the gurukul and send their children to the Gurukul, In other words ,  why because that maybe 1/10^th of the village became devotees, so they created their own little community within the village , but prabhupad said that in the future , what he wants , is that the whole village should be made Krishna conscious , and one by one, we make the whole village Krishna conscious , so this happens to the Namhatta. Once we have a village Krishna conscious , then you can organise that village by varnashram .Once you have a certain number of people as Krishna conscious , who becomes Krishna conscious , then the next day you can organise them according to .. nowin India already they have certain ideas about Varnashrama , or say the Western countries , where they don’t have any idea , then you can train the people according to their Varna or Ashram . What is their duty? You are Grishastha, this is your duty. You are working in this way, this is your duty. And so in this way, then they start to have an identity and act according to that identity .Varnashram is to give them an identity , so that they can serve in a way they can be a part ,of a greater social order. So once as even if you get one village, as a Krishna Conscious village, then you can organise it. Prabhupad said , we want a Krishna Conscious cities , states, countries , so  Varnashram, you can only make a varnashrama when you have a certain number of people who are somewhat Krishna Conscious, but full time 100% Krishna Conscious, you are not going to get all the people. Maybe only 1%, or 10% may be fully four regulative principles, and 16 rounds. But you can get unlimited people to chant 1 round a day, to believe in the reincarnation, to believe in the principle. They may not follow fully, but they may atleast believe in it, andthen in this way you can organise them in a Varnashram system. Once you get them, that they accept the philosophy ,and  it’s their goal that they want to practice the things .

[Bhakti RaghavMaharaj says]

One other aspect in relation to this also is that just like when Prabhupad ,you know established Iskcon society  mainly to train up the Brahmins, who in the Varnashram … are you know the head of the society , they give guidance, similarly we find  in Namhatta Preaching , that those who become Namhatta members , you know , they are more Brahminically or Brahmin oriented and that’s very important like in the villages, in the future to set up the whole varnashrama system , until you have or unless you have you know brahminicaly inclined people then you won’t be able to establish the rest of it. So very naturally , just like Jayapatakamaharaj mentioned that in this particular village, you know even Gurukul can be set up to these Namahattasanghas , so like this , Gurukul means you know … you are training the Brahmacharis . so you are having the Brahmachari , one’s proper training is there , then they will become good Grihasthas , and it will just develop in that manner . So it’s just a matter of expanding , even a small group of people in the village are following the regulations etc. etc then you know the more they increase ,then it quenches the rest of the village , gradually the more Varnashram principles.

[HH JPS says]

Active Namhatta people , some of them just like you said will become like the Bramhanas , for the village, for the area , so  from brahmanasit all goes down.  They train the others, 

Anything else?

[ Questionunclear]

In the west the ultimate problem is that

We organise the Namhatta  with two different possibilities , one is that we appoint  whoever the higher authority is that ,they appoint someone to be their Namhatta Secretary , who organises the things , but they can rotate who  gives the lecture . Apart from that sometimes where there’s , that’s not just passwords too complex, then in the Namhatta we allow it to be democratic and they elect the people ,and so they can have elected , elect the president and Secretary and the Namhatta preacher goes there , and sees if they keep it Krishna Conscious , so it’s a little flexible in Namhatta, how it can be run. Just like in a Vedic village system we have the alternative of knowing the democratic , or could also can be pointed by the King , or his minister, but in namhattathe idea is better, rather than one guy gives some long lecture , because they don’t know much , we don’t facilitate better than that each person speaks more or like that of a round table , where they make a reading from the Prabhupad’s books , and different people speaks 5-10 minutes what their realisation of that is , and they discuss it like that .And if they have any questions , and if they cannot answer it there, they write it down, and  they send that it to the Namhatta Headquarters, and get the answer from the Guru or from the Namhatta Director, by letter or by personally when he goes there. And in this  way, then there’s ainteraction which is important , they mention, or sometime, you might as like in the west you can have a lecture series , Namhatta type of lecture series , and video, and send them out , and they can hear that, and they can discuss it . In Namhatta it a can be a little more informal, then in a temple, but yaone person giving, it can be a little more you know casual , informal.

[unclear]

That’s the point in that , when you make a Namhatta member, what’s he gonna do? You have to engage them in some preaching activity .

Thank You very much, Hare Krishna. Thank You Bhakti Raghavmaharajki Jaya!