19920429 Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā 7.27

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The following is a lecture given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami Mahārāja on April 29, 1992 – in Heidelberg, Germany. The lecture begins with a reading from Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā 7.27.

Sa. Saw the entire world drowned in love of Godhead and the seed of material enjoyment in the living entities completely destroyed, they all became exceedingly happy. Purport in this connection Rla Bhakti Siddhartha Saraswati Ṭhākura writes in his Anubhasya that since the living entities all belong to the marginal potency of the Lord, Each and every living entity has a natural tendency to become Kṛṣṇa Conscious, although at the same time the seed of material enjoyment is undoubtedly within Him. The seed of material enjoyment, watered by the course of material nature fructifies to become a tree of material entanglement which endows the living entity with all kinds of material enjoyment. To enjoy such material facilities is to be afflicted with the three material miseries. However, when by Nature’s law there is a flood, the seeds within the earth become inactive.

Similarly, as the inundation of love of Godhead spreads all over the world, the seeds of material enjoyment become impotent. Thus the more the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness movement spreads, the more the desire for material enjoyment decreases. The seed of material enjoyment automatically becomes impotent with the increase of the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness movement. Instead of being envious that Kṛṣṇa Consciousness is spreading all over the world by the grace of Lord Caitanya, those who are jealous should be happy, as indicated here by the words Parama ulas. But because they are Kanishta adhikaris or Brahta bhaktas, materialistic devotees who are not advanced in spiritual knowledge, they are envious instead of happy, and they try to find faults in Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. Yet Śrīmat Prabhodananda Saraswati writes in his Chaitanya Chandram that when influenced by Lord Caitanya’s Kṛṣṇa Consciousness movement, materialists become averse to talking about their wives and children.

Supposedly learned scholars give up their tedious studies of Vedic literature, yogis give up their impractical practices of mystic yoga, ascetics give up their austere activities of penance and austerity, and sannyasis give up their study of Sankhya philosophy. Thus they are all attracted by the Bhakti Yoga practices of Lord Chaitanya and cannot relish a mellow taste superior to that of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta Swami translation and purport to text 27, chapter 7 of the Ādi Līlā Śrī Caitanya Charitamrita. Translation. Again, when the five members of the Panchitatva saw the entire world drowned in love of Godhead and the seed of material enjoyment in the living entities completely destroyed, they all became exceedingly happy. We know that when there is a drought that plants don’t grow.

But as soon as the rain comes, then all the seeds which are lying dormant, they sprout and various plants begin to grow. I was visiting, doing some preaching in the Middle east, and normally it hardly rains there. But in one country it had rained for some days, more than it had in the last hundred years. So the whole area suddenly became green. Even though it was normally a desert, so many plants started to grow. So although it was a desert, but when it rained, then naturally seeds were there, even they were invisible. But the seeds were there and they started to grow. The Māyā bodies and the different types of yogis, they may distance themselves from sense gratification by some artificial method, but the seeds of desire are lying there dormant.

And as soon as they get a little water, a little ideal situation comes up for sense gratification, then they become those seeds start to sprout and the desires, material desires, start to expand, turning into a tree of desires. So the other example which is given here is of a flood. One of the reasons why india and other tropical countries or semi tropical areas, the rice growers. Keep the rice fields submerged in water is to control the growth of other plants by plowing the fields and then transplanting the rice. Only the rice grows because the other seeds, as long as they’re submerged in the water, they can’t sprout. Just like if any of you ever made Hmong sprouts, you have to soak the mung and then take out of the water and keep it a moist cloth.

If you just keep the mung in the water or the chickpeas or whatever you’re trying to sprout, if you just keep it in the water, never take it out, eventually it will just rot and go back. You have to soak it for a day, get it nice and moist, then you take it out, keep it in a dam and it will sprout very nicely. So part of rice is that you can’t let the water go down because it’s so moist. If the water dries, that nice moist soil will sprout so many other kinds of grass, which will compete with the rice and reduce the yield of the rice paddies. So devotional service is also following this principle that we are to keep our heart flooded, inundated with the love of Kṛṣṇa.

And when that happens, when the heart is filled with the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare Hare Hareem and devotional service, then naturally these material desires, the seeds of material desire are kept in. They don’t sprout. If you keep it flooded long enough, eventually they will also rot. They will be finished. There’s another. It’s an example given by our previous Acharyas that once there was a. There was a lumberjack. A lumberjack. There was a man who used to go in the forest to get wood. I don’t know what you call him. German. So. He would go, this woodman. There’s a very famous forest in the south of Bengal called the Sundar Bom. If you look in the map, you see that the last hundred kilometers or more of Bengal is all islands with the Ganges and other rivers.

They go to the sea and there’s very low islands. There’s a high and low tide. And that whole area has been declared as a national forest. And there. There are many tigers, bears, icons, cobras, sharks, barracudas and panthers. And so many other kind of violent creatures. In fact, we just did a program in Bangladesh. At Harihar, which is the last piece of land before the Sundarm forest, there’s a river. Sometimes from the river, crocodiles come up in the rainy season and lie on the road where were walking. But it wasn’t rainy season, so we didn’t see the crocodiles. But we could miss them. In the forest. There are many tigers even today. And we had a program in Harinaga. We asked the devotees to please go in a group when they went back to the house.

Because there was a tiger seen about 3km away. You do keep them. And tigers usually don’t attack you. You see a tiger. What do you have to say? If you say like you did, tiger lady, You see a tiger. What he said. So when were doing our program, there was one family. And that night he didn’t go to the program. Instead he went out to get wood from the forest. This is a true story. I was telling you this example. But I got off not telling you a true story. And the example is also true story too. But this happened two weeks ago. About three weeks ago he was there and he got eaten by a tiger. So then his family was lamenting. Why didn’t he go to the kīrtana? He would have saved his life. So these are.

Actually, I have said this is still even today. This is. This is a very common situation in the Sundarban. People go to get the honey from the wild bees or they go to get wood. It’s a vast forest. So normally when you go, you have to bring some Weapons. We say sometimes people go inside the Sundar bones and there’s all little canals and rivulets and going inside the forest. And so they’re looking, where are the honeybees? Flying, trying to find out where their hide is. So while they’re looking up at the honeybees, there’s tigers. A tiger, they’re telling from the tip of the head to the tip of the tail, they are up to 16 hands. So 16 hands is how many? 16Ft. So that’s about how many. That’s more than 3 meters, 4 meters, 5 meters up to the tail.

But the body is maybe only like 3 meters. But they’re able to crouch up and make themselves like one meter or one and a half meters. And they hide in the bush. And then someone goes. Three meters long, although they’re so huge you can’t hear them. So while they’re looking up at the honeybees, all of a sudden, tiger gets in. Oh, it’s very dangerous still. For greed, for, you know, desire to get the wealth of the forest, people lose their lives. So this one, this is not back to the example given by Śrīla Bhakti Siddhānta Sarasw. There was this woodman who was going into the Sudabon to get wood. And he was told by people, very careful, there’s a tiger there. There’s so many bears and other dangerous animals. You should carry some weapon with you. What is all of this?

What do you need a weapon for? If some tiger comes, I will just go and break off a branch of a tree and I will swing it around my head and the tiger will become frightened and run away. I am going in the forest. There’s so many trees. What do I need to bring a weapon for? I am going to prove that those who say you need a weapon, they’re all bulls. Forest is filled with weapons. I said, well, Do what you like, but it’s better to take a weapon. So then anyway, he went into the forest without any weapons. Then someone warned him that once out, there’s a tiger which has been seen in the forest. No problem. The tiger comes, I will just break off a branch from a tree. But once the tiger grabs you, there will be no time to do anything.

No, no, I am very fast. So then he was there as far as gathering the wood. And one small tiger, only two and a half meters long, Maybe three years old, He saw this woodman. So the woodman saw the tiger nearly jump out of a tree and start pulling off the Branch. But the tiger is so fast he can run, you know, like 60 kilometers an hour. The first thing they do is they grab you by the back of the neck, break your neck, dead like that, and they chomp on you. So the woodman was killed. Till he finished, he could never get the wood branch off the tree. And there was one Vaishnava devotee and he is going and chanting. And somehow he. Before anybody could warn him, the local villagers heard that this Hadoo had gone into the Sundar Bon forest.

And he’s chanting. And so immediately they. They chased after him with guns to protect him. They were following after him. Then they got close enough that they could see him. They saw he’s chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa. Hare Hari, Hare Ram, Hari Ram, Ram, Hare. And they saw that he was chanting that even now, angry animals like tigers and bears had given up their violent attitude and they were seemingly dancing in ecstasy. And they were amazed that here we come with the guns and everything, and we can’t conquer the tigers. They attack us. We can only try to shoot them in self defense. But he’s actually conquered all these animals, won them over by his chanting. So this example is that the dangerous animals of the jungle are compared to the six vices. Kam crowed Lob, mar, moha Masarju.

Ka means lust, crot means anger, lob means greed, Muha means illusion, Maud means intoxication or madness, and Mahasarja means envy. So that the devotees of the Lord, the Karmis and the Jogis, they all want to control these six vices. So the first man, the woodman, who went in without any weapon, is compared to the Ashtanga yogī who tries to renounce the world and do tapasya and meditation to control his senses. Actually, he is going without any arms. His situation is very precarious. Once Ashtanga Jyoti achieves full realization of paramātmā, then he controls the senses. But until that happens, in fact, until he gets out of that forest, he’s always in danger of being attacked by material desire.

So these ascetics, they are more in a more precarious situation that they could be attacked by material desires and get deviated from the path of devotional service. The people going with the weapons, they’re like the Karmis, those who have material existence, following different yagyas and sacrifices, regulated material activities for material upliftment, pious people. So in one sense they’re protected. But of course they’re also not getting out of the forest. But there are These some semblance out there, they are attempting to conquer these animals, but still they can’t actually conquer them. They’re only trying to hold them in faith. But the actual devotee, he was getting these violent animals to become ecstatic, hearing the holy names. Like what? Chaitanya.

When he went into Jaritanda forest, all the tigers and the lions and the bears, they were all rolling in the ground and dancing in ecstasy, chanting Harivo. Harivo. So the devotee is able to conquer these six vices. By utilizing them all in Kṛṣṇa service. Calm. He meditates on the transcendental pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa. He desires to meditating on Kṛṣṇa’s chance and loving activities of his tendency for material lust is purified low intense desire or greed. Devotee is already eager to hear the glories of the Lord, to hear the pastimes of the Lord from the devotee to engage in devotional service. So crowd anger the devotees being angry at those who are inimical to the devotees of the Lord, those who are envious against the Lord and his devotees.

The devotee is mad in ecstasy, chanting the holy names of Nitāi Goranga and Hare Kṛṣṇa Moha. Illusion while in there’s no material illusion as such. But in devotional service they become absorbed in different pastimes of the Lord, or in that sense the Yoga Māyā. They become absorbed in the transcendental pastimes of the Lord. In this way they experience transcendental ecstasy which is resembling illusion. Envy, of course, doesn’t come near the devotees of the Lord because they don’t aspire to have anything that anyone has materially. They’re not wanting anything material that someone else has. Rather, they want to give the mercy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So instead of wanting something from others, they want to give to everyone this mercy of Kṛṣṇa. So the question of being envious of someone else doesn’t arise.

So this way all of the six vices become subjugated or conquered by the devotee without any difficulty, efforts without any great risk. There’s also some by Naratva Nastaka. Explain this. How all the senses are engaged and all the vices are engaged in Kṛṣṇa’s service. And this way the devotee is freed from that danger. So like this, the seeds of enjoyment are lying in the heart. If we keep them flooded by devotional service, they won’t sprout. This is essential that we keep the heart flooded. We explain this afternoon how there was one man, he was told to he should go to the river and learn how to swim. So then his friend saw that went down the river.

And he saw the friend that he had told he should go there, learn how to swim, was standing on the side of the river and he was imitating the people swimming. And he was like moving his hands. And the friend, why don’t you go in the water? To know that I want to learn how to swim first and then go in the water. I am just practicing here. If you want to learn how to swim, you should go in the water. Then you can learn how. I want to first get it down on the land here. So actually, devotional service is meant for sadhana, for practicing. It’s something we have to actually practice to be able to comprehend. It.

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Any other process for practicing but practicing devotional service. And one can easily understand what it is. But it’s one practice, but it’s very difficult to actually understand it. Sometimes in our verse they spend you trying to figure out what devotional service is. Devotional service is actually the eternal religious principle, the natural occupation of every living soul. Sometimes people miscontrue it to be just one of the. So there’s so many. No. People are practicing. There’s no real connection with the Lord, with the absolute truth of God and his instructions. As a result people don’t have that full satisfaction. They kept this thing that was. Since the Haradisha movement is new in the west, therefore it’s also one of these new one on Dharma religions. They don’t realize that what is God or Kṛṣṇa Consciousness.

Is not king to unlock the secrets of the universe that people are looking for. The only way they can find out was they come in touch with the philosophy. That’s why it’s so important that they get the Kṛṣṇa conscious by reading Shiva grant books that they can understand the sublime nature of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. That’s why distributing books is the basis of our Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. We’re very grateful for the German Yatna General and especially Heidelberg Temple specifically for instance continuous and determined effort and distribution of books. This is most important service. And this is very enlightening for the devotees all over the world. I think with Germany was what, two or three this year? Last year two. And Heidelberg was the third temple. With a heavy competition from Soviet Union. Germany was in second place.

Which is actually a change many times in person it’s another year now 92. So this is of course how devotees can remain flooded is by being absorbed in preaching, absorbed in devotional service. The secret is Yuk. 21 Kṛṣṇa explained the ninth chapter. Bhagavad teaches absorption to be so absorbed in Kṛṣṇa Consciousness that it’s like flooding. There’s no chance for these material vices or material desires to sprout. Someone asked me this afternoon that I heard there’s some kind of a test that comes to five years, seven years, nine years. I haven’t read exactly any authoritative time schedule like the three year test and the five year. But basically what the test is that the seeds of material desires that lying dormant in our hearts.

And once maybe if it takes us three years or five years or three months, however long it takes us to slacken up and allow the flood water to reduce those seeds that are still left, they will start to sprout. And when they grow bigger numbs. They start to compete with the devotional tree. And at that time you have to cut the weed out, cut the unwanted plant out. Or otherwise your devotional plant won’t be able to grow any further because it’s become stunted by the competing material desires which have grown up. That’s the test of which a devotee can be faced with. But it comes from allowing the heart to drain out. We have to keep it flooded with Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That’s why Prabhupāda has given us a complete program from morning to night. So our whole way of life can be God centered.

Even india, the normal religionists, when they hear of the devotees routine, they say why? This is too much devotion. Why so much devotion? So what to speak of? In the western countries the tendency is to think that do a little Dharma, do a little Karma, do a little Bhakti, do a little Bhukti, little Bhajan, a little Bhojan. One for you, one for me. Thank you. But then there’s no question of this flooding in the heart Bhakti Siddhānta Sarpur compared with the standing in two boats at the same time, keeping one foot in each boat in the middle of the river, trying to keep your equilibrium, keep your balance. The two boats are going in different directions. One is a boat of material enjoyment and the other is a boat of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. To try to maintain both doesn’t work.

The two separate apartheid or you fall in the river. So. Devotional service is actually may look to the materialist like material enjoyment. Evening nights they’re having cars and clothes and so many other video cameras and tape recorders and so many different things. But everything is used in Kṛṣṇa service. If they’re eating Kṛṣṇa prashada that they’re using all the facilities for serving Kṛṣṇa, then everything is Kṛṣṇa centered. So nothing that sends gratification. So the devotees, they read their minds according to this principle. The Brahmacharis, Varṇa, Vashtras, sannyasis. And of course they’re. Living a celibate life as their Grihastras. And they’re married, they have a Kṛṣṇa centered family life. This way everything is centered around Kṛṣṇa. All the activities are with the objective of pleasing Kṛṣṇa. So although they may be doing all the normal activities, not everyone is full time preaching.

Some people may be living in their house and contributing to the movement. If they actually can absorb themselves and chanting and having morning program and using the fruits of their work to help the Kṛṣṇa Conscious movement, keep the environment Kṛṣṇa conscious in the household, they can Also achieve perfection. The secret is to do everything with a pleasure. Kṛṣṇa. So the devotee, they perform the sacrifice of the Sankir Khan Yajna. They are absorbed in the fire of preaching. The fire of Kṛṣṇa. Kasha. And by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa. That is very fair. That’s the person all the time. There’s another example from India. About two. Two people from the northeast of India, near the Chinese border, who were opium addicts. And they somehow rolled the ball of opium. And I pull in the pipe. And they went in to swamp the opium.

But they didn’t have any matches and have any fire. They were already a little intoxicated, but they ran out of the fire. So they were sitting on the side of a river. And on the other side of the river they went some boat. And in the vault there was a lamp. You could see the flame. So the one put on the pipe and kind of held it up. There’s a fire. And tried to light his pipe. You know, by looking at the pipe. The fire is a kilometer away. He’s huffing and puffing, trying to, you know, light his pipe. But the fire is in the boat on the side of the river. The other one. Why are you foolish guy? What are you doing? Give me a. You don’t know anything. You can’t do it like that. Call your sister.

You gotta hold your hand out like this. So he extended his hand out another few inches, a few centimeters. And he tried to do the same thing. What difference did it make whether it was this far or that far still? The boat was on the other side of the river. But they’re both mad. Through intoxication, they couldn’t see the reality. So this is also like those who are trying to achieve perfection through karma or through gamma. What happened? The second guy, he was so intoxicated that he actually thought. When he was holding it up, he thought, now my pipe is weak. It wasn’t weak. Hallucinated at this lyric. It was really out there. So the first one is like the materialist who’s thinking that, okay, I am going to enjoy. And just ahead, just over there’s the enjoyment.

And he’s trying to hunt and pot and get this. But actually, there’s no permanent enjoyment. There’s no permanent situation. The second is like the impersonalist who hallucinates that he has become God or that he’s liberated, even though he has not come close to it. So these two kinds of people are very commonly seen. Those who are dreaming about all the future happinesses that are going to happen. They don’t see that birth, death, old age, disease are overtaking them, that they are lost in this ocean of material suffering. And the happiness is just a short reprieve from the difficulties of material life. The devotee is actually experiencing happiness of life because by doing everything for Kṛṣṇa, then he’s not. Bound up by the same laws of karma that he’s actually seeing everything, taking everything as Kṛṣṇa’s mercy.

If there’s any misfortune that comes, he takes it. This is also Kṛṣṇa’s mercy. He uses that to become more attached to Kṛṣṇa. If there’s any positive thing which happens, he uses that in Ka’s service. So unhappiness or distress, he’s an equilibrium. So he’s peaceful, but a materialistic person which the devotees want to see them help from their suffering. But they tend to become really elated when there’s any success and then similarly become very depressed when there’s some failure. So this type of success and failure the devotees are specifically warned about. In the Bhagavad Gītā, Kṛṣṇa says that those devotees who are equal in success and failure, fame and infamy, that they are very dear to him.

When we go out and do a book distribution of this I am preaching, we had to see ourselves as an instrument in Ka’s hands and actually surrender to Kṛṣṇa using actively, dynamically, using our intelligence, our abilities, trying to do better. But even if somehow, due to our false ego or due to some circumstance, we’re not able to fully succeed, we shouldn’t allow that to destroy our enthusiasm. We should go on enthusiastically serving. Not like the materialists that if they get the fruit and they are elated, if they don’t get it, then they want to give up. Devotee tries for the fruit to offer to Kṛṣṇa. But still the Lodhi is determined to go on with the devotional service. Irregardless of the results are KA’s, the service is ours.

So in this way, Prabhodananda Saraswati explains that when somebody’s influenced by Lord Caitanya’s Kṛṣṇa conscious movement, then the materialists become averse to talking all about their material relatives and family affairs. Learned scholars, they give out the tedious studies of Vedic literature. Yogis give out the impractical practice of mystic yoga. Ascetics give up austere activities of penance and austerities. The sanyasis give up Sankya. Everyone becomes attracted by the Bhakti Yoga practices of Lord Chaitanya. They cannot relish a superior taste to that of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So somehow or another we have to. Our objective is that people should taste this nectar of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Once they taste it, then they can have reaching to say, you try. There’s a story how a British man had Englishman had gone to India.

When he went back to his to England and he told his children how nice mangoes were. And they wanted to know what does the mango taste like. And as they now of course, mangoes are floating from all over Europe, all over the world to Europe even today. I had a mango, someone gave me mango here in Heidelberg. So everybody knows what a mango is like. But in those days the ships were there, the mango wouldn’t last that long. So you wanted to try to explain to the children what a mango tasted like. But how can you explain what something tastes like? It’s very difficult.

So finally what he did is he took some gourds, some molasses, mixed it with water and then he had a big beard, soaked his beard in it and told his children, here you suck on the beard, you understand what mangoes are. So now that you have all tasted mango, do you think they get a real true picture of what a mango is like? With sucking on his beard, little fibers in the mango, sour, sweet. So we try to tell people how nice Kṛṣṇa consciousness is. But naturally people tend to remain a little skeptical. Somehow or another, if we can get them to take hates the mango, then they will know what it’s like.

If they can practice Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then they would be able to appreciate the sublime nature of connecting ourselves with Kṛṣṇa again, leading a life and a spiritual atmosphere where we’re always in touch with the supreme personality of Jñāna Kṛṣṇa. How ecstatic and wonderful that is. Somehow or another, how to. Enliven people to personally taste it. So for that reason we have books, we have festivals, we have so many different means. Whatever means will work to get people attracted to chanting and Kṛṣṇa. That’s been approved by Upagh Swami. Yes, Kṛṣṇa Madan devotion by any means get people attached to Kṛṣṇa and then they will be able to understand the importance of all the various practices and rules and so on. So here in this verse, the very positive aspect of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the supreme ecstatic idea or aspect of it is focused on.

So this is a mission of the Panchatatva to flood the entire world with Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And as they are humbled, servants, servants. We are to fulfill their desire to the best of our ability and flood as many people as possible with this ecstasy of Kṛṣṇa. Go ranga, go ranga. Go ranga. Go ranga. Any questions? Yes, I have a question to the six minus. What is the difference between this madness and this? They’re very close. Of course, someone who’s mad is. You say he’s also an illusion. But being a Lucian doesn’t mean that you’re mad. Madness is also like an emotional, psychological, total involvement. So like you see, sometimes devotees in kīrtana, they become mad jumping up and down. They don’t care what anybody’s thinking and they’re jumping and chanting loudly. So that’s how the devotees become mad in ecstasy.

And they who is all consciousness of what else is going on. What other people are thinking is more. So you can say, well, it’s actually kind of. It’s an evolving, absorbing thing to be mad, to be an illusion, specifically illusion is dealing with the mental state. And. So there is a difference. And some people are illusion thinking that this is reality or this thing is like this, but it’s actually something else. So that tendency of becoming illusion is slightly different than being a man. Although there’s a similarity. Is that clear? There was an example, specific example, but I can’t remember just right now which exemplifies about illusion. You know, just like for instance, this kind of illusion where there was, for instance, in England there was a famous story about a dock worker longshoreman who won half a million pound lottery. And then.

He quit his job and he started to. He just felt that, you know, now I got everything and there’s nothing to worry about anymore. And he just started spending his money and parties and giving out to Frank. It’s like he was like, you know, after four months he finished a whole half a million pounds. Then it was like suddenly his broke and he went back to his friends and said, look at, you know, he said, well, you’re so foolish. You had half a million dollars. Why didn’t he use it properly? The same people he’d given the parties to and the money, they’re all criticized. So he got illusion that this happiness I have is like forever, it’s never going to end. And I was like, as he’s spending the money, of course it’s like it’s all graining, but he’s not.

He was under this illusion that it’s always going to be great, but the material world is not always great. There’s good things and there’s bad things that happen. So one of our vices is to follow in this illusion. Some people fall in the illusion, everything’s bad. They get cynical, they become. Become depressed, manic depressive and they can’t function. So illusion, when it goes to a certain intense state, it can also become madness. But it can also just be an illusion. Many people, they have this illusion. They think that, okay, this is who I am. I am an American, I am a German, I am a Russian or a Chinese or European. They think they’re the body. That’s illusion. We’re not the body. So there’s a lot of things that are illusion. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness liberates people from those illusions. They’re all brothers and sisters. There’s six vices.

Master and Veer are also very close, but there’s a slight difference. Mohad and mard moha mahd masad illusion, madness, unreason, A jealous mad by drinking completely out of control. Madness is you’re out of control. Usha means that you may think you’re in control, but you don’t have a prime picture of what reality is. So what you’re doing is not for someone who’s mad, he’s also out of control. If you’re mad, it’s a little more extreme than illusion. But there’s the difference. Mad and being illusioned, It.